Posts by ThomasMore

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PIMO Bethel Elder Has Special Message & Speaks out

by Newly Enlightened in

a pimo elder at bethel has come forward with a special message posted on reddit.. https://www.reddit.com/gallery/v9mgao.

the dated pictures attached are "proof conclusive" that this is for real.

no outside guests are allowed inside bethel at this time.

ThomasMore

James Foard is correct. I know because I have lived it. i will not say what my login gave me access to, so let’s just say that they don’t have enough confidence in the R&F to give them access to all the information they have online. And we are not just talking about old publications that many JWs had in their possession or had access to at the KH. WTC encouraged all the congs to destroy those years ago but they were simply relocated to the homes of the “faithful” who could not stomach pitching them into the rubbish pile. A diligent search will provide access to older publications if you know where to look.

What I am referring to is access to directives and info that is intended for heavies - COs, Branch Committee members, Service Dept, HLCs, and more.

More serious though is that this does not include the air-gapped CSA databases that Legal and Service have access to, which if aired, would surely bring the organization to its knees overnight. Don’t believe me? If you can live that way, then don’t and be blissfully ignorant. But know this, many honest and right-minded persons want those databases to be made public, or at least handed over to proper authorities - but WTC will die on the sword before that happens. They surely know that it would be the immediate end for them.

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Breaking news. Masks

by road to nowhere in

jw
friends

updated.

october 1 no more strongly encouraged.

just regular now?.

ThomasMore

The Japanese have used masks for decades to prevent the spread of cold and flu when out in public. I don't know how effective masks are and don't really spend time researching it. I do see however that the mask issue is a political tool (whether they work or not) and WTC is a FOLLOWER - not a leader.

So why drop the mask mandate after making it a matter of INTEGRITY only several months ago. Maybe preparation for the Annual Meeting? Maybe following the nations to stay in good graces... Does it really matter? Not to me. It is a distraction from the real issues of:

1. Selling KHs

2. CSA lawsuits

3. Laughable doctrinal flip flops

4. Low attendance

5. Low morale

6. Low bank account balances and contributions

Get ready for more distractions as the lawsuits pile in over the next few months.

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Where did Enoch go - God transferred him?

by Fisherman in

god did not take the lives of the wicked contemporaries of enoch, instead he took the life of enoch.

and that seems like a great injustice to deprive innocent enoch of life instead of killing the wicked.

—i said seems.. a man goes to get surgery but first they give him an opiate like narcotic and he falls asleep gladly and with pleasure and euphoria.

ThomasMore

I recall that WTC tried to explain "God took him" to mean that he was injured by his opposers, so God transferred him to a place where he could die peacefully, menwhile providing a glimpse of what lay ahead as a reward for his faithfulness. This explanation seems to make sense. Even a broken clock is right 2X a day...

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Should laws be passed compelling the church to report crimes?

by Fisherman in

if laws were passed compelling the church to report crimes to government authorities and there was no legal way around it and the church was forced to comply and did comply, nobody would confess their sins.

it wouldn’t stop people from committing crimes, they just wouldn’t tell their church about it.

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ThomasMore

Being a WTC apologist either breaks you or makes you look broken. I did it for years and am still ashamed for not being intellectully honest. Maybe the better course is to let WTC apologize for its actions and policies - even if they never do that.

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WHEN is the Kingdom of God coming?

by Fisherman in

when is the kingdom of god coming?.

on being asked by the pharisees when the kingdom of god was coming, he answered them: “the kingdom of god is not coming with paratherisis; 21 nor will people say, ‘see here!’ or, ‘there!’ for look!

the kingdom of god is in your midst.” —lu 17:20,21. .

ThomasMore

Im with Blondie on Wtc method for date picking. Just add a blindfold and you can have the kit too!

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Starting September 01, 2022, the Angels will help in the ministry work

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

2022 governing body update # 6. what exciting news david splane has for all jehovah's witnesses ( who for the last three years were spared the house-to-house preaching work ) '' that we'll return to the ministry september 01, 2022. just in time for our world wide campaign to start bible studies.

and, i'm sure the angels are excited too, because it will give them opportunities to help us with our ministry.''.

not only will the witnesses be rusty in their return to the field ministry, the angels in heaven have been sitting idle while the pandemic stopped the house-to-house ministry.

ThomasMore

David seems to have inside information on the activities of the angels. Perhaps he would like to share more. I await eagerly like a spittoon surrounded by dippers.

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Did Jesus have a Y chromosome?

by Fisherman in

even in jesus’s day, humans had chromosomes.

and so did jesus —because he was human.

so let’s say jesus took a dna test, his mitochondrial dna would go back to eve but interestingly jc also would inherit dna from sinful adam on his mother’s side because his mother mary passed on to jc dna from both adam and eve.

ThomasMore

Whether or not you believe in the virgin birth, Matt 1:23 says that the angel announced that Mary would “conceive”. Earlier the writer says by “holy spirit” (Matt 1:18).

If the translation is accurate in its use of the word “conceive”, then Mary contributed half of the DNA and the rest was perhaps new DNA. This can only be conjecture as the scriptures do not elaborate on genetic science/engineering.

WTC has long theorized that sin comes through the DNA of the male. They may be right or just twisting the scriptures. Or maybe the hokey pokey really is what it’s all about. Who knows?!

The real question I ask is: Where is the connection to the previous spirit creature that was in heaven prior to his arrival on earth as a human embryo? In transferring the life of Jesus to the womb of Mary, something more than material DNA was surely required. WTC narrative does not allow for a life force to have been transferred - even if they say otherwise. They have never adequately explained the breath of life that God breathed into Adam at creation. They also teach that when a person dies, he ceases to exist entirely. If that is the case, then those resurrected are little more than clever duplicates of the original person since there is no uninterrupted link/connection between the past life and the future life. Would we take comfort in a promise that an identical version of one self will be recreated to live in the future? I certainly would not since it would not be ME.

Please think about this a little while before sending a knee jerk reply supporting WTC theology. This is not a promotion for an immortal soul, but rather a question about the life force itself and the role it plays in making us the individuals that we are, something more than a complex electro-chemical assemblage of DNA. Seriously, take some time to think this over.

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Shunning Disfellowshipped & Apostate family Members. Scriptural?

by objectivetruth in

anyone who is a witness or was previously a witness, is aware of the written & un-written rules concerning association with disfellowshipped family members.. there are a multitude of quotes through out the watchtower publications, but these 2 will suffice.. "are you proving yourself holy by not associating with family members or others who are disfellowshipped?

"the clear instruction in the bible is: avoid them.

that means that we have to stay away from them... the bible says that apostates are mentally diseased and that they use their teachings to make others think like them... what must we do to avoid false teachers?

ThomasMore

DFing is essential to JWs. It will only be "pryed from their cold dead fingers" like a handgun. Without DFing, they fear the eye-opening influence that former members might exert on PIMIs. But wait! There's more! Now they shun inactive ones for the same reason. But wait! There's even more!!! They have begun to shun ACTIVE members that they have issue with - yes for the same reason. They are devouring one another and there is no stopping them. "DONNER PARTY of 4,000,000. Your table is ready!"

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Do you pray?

by Fisherman in

i’ve always had a personal relationship with god that is not affected by any issues or controversies i have with anybody..

ThomasMore

I agree with Vanderhoven. Although I prayed to Jehovah for decades, it dawned on me after some research that if God really wanted us to use his proper name, he would reveal it along with the proper pronunciation. The scriptures had 1400 pages to make that clear if it was his wish. Going beyond what is written and turning it into a religion seems like the wrong thing to do. I began to acknowledge him as Father, just as a son speaks to his own father. It seems to be more respectful IMO and inline with how Jesus addressed him.

My old JW acquaintances are dogmatic about using Jehovah but cold on Yahweh or any form of the earlier reference to him as if they would be apostate. They have not researched the origin of "Jehovah" and won't consider that earlier church fathers mislead them.

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Local congregation donation and expense report. Very telling

by nowwhat? in

in july the congregation received $2300.00.

only 40.00 for the worldwide work and zero for ramapo project!!!.

if this is typical no wonder the org.

ThomasMore

Before I left, I recall a serious discussion at a BOE mtg. The dollar amount for the month was less than $100 above what I gave! Obviously the BOE and the COBE leading the discussion had given nothing. I realized that the heart of the congregation was trending toward no donations. The Branch put the KH on the market soon after that.