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  IICSA Final Report

  by Phizzy in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  the english legal system's independent inquiry into child sexual abuse has issued its final report, and its recommendations.

  to read the report in full just google iicsa report, if you search on the iicsa site you can find the specific investigation into j.w's.. but this recommendation from the final report is interesting, esp.

  the first and last sentences.

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  Has the redress scheme that WTC finally signed onto resulted in any money being paid to victims from WTC coffers?
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  The faithful steward mystery - solved at last!

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  w13 7/15 p. 20 “who really is the faithful and discreet slave?” revealed it was a bunch of guys in new york, back in 1919.. the apostle paul must have been un-inspired when he wrote this back in the 1st century:.

  (1 corinthians 4:1, 2) “a man should regard us [all christians/paul, apollos & peter?

  ] as attendants of christ and stewards of god’s sacred secrets.

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  Throughout the ages, BILLIONS of people have read the Bible, and failed to recognize that it was all leading to 8 men living in New York. They also missed the most obvious: THE BIBLE IS WRITTEN FOR JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.

  Yes, JW's are at the center of every prophetic utterance - didn't you know that?!

  When I realized that they were saying that, I began to suspect that they were nutty narcisists and I was embarassed. Coinciding with that revelation, I also was told that the Christian Greek scriptures were written exclusively for the annointed (numbering about 12,000 at that time). I asked if I should bother reading it since I hoped to be of the Great Crowd. This seemed to stump my elders - no reply other than that they contained the gospel accounts which told me about Jesus.

  I have seen nutty religions but JW's have the Gold Medal for crazy.
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  Not Reporting Child Abuse Should Be Prosecuted

  by usualusername1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  anyone who works with children and does not report child sexual abuse should be prosecuted, the final report of a huge, seven-year inquiry has recommended.. this could be huge for elders in the uk.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63318342.

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  I wonder if any law on reporting will change WTC's 2-witness rule. If the law somehow required them to report the abusers that are chronicled in their 3 CSA databases, would they obey the law or take their chances? I think that the databases have names that they fear will bring the organization down if revealed. I don't expect WTC to be more open, even though Jacson told the ARC that they would find it easier to report if required. They have proved that they will lie under oath, obfuscate and accept large financial losses to shield the pedos that they are aware of within their org.
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  The MODERN DAY tourist guide shooting themselves in the foot.

  by Longlivetherenegades in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  the tourist guide as obtained from the kingdom rule book chapter 5 paragraphs 1-6. the book states..... the spirit of the truth .

  will guide you into all the truth.”.

  the spirit is jesus’ means of teaching his followers whatever they need to know about god’s kingdom​—right when they need to know it.. me: who are your tourist guide today?.

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  BlueBrother, you must be inspired. I would sooner follow you than WTC ever again.
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  Books-of-Titus-and-Philemon-Study-Edition-Now-Available-Online

  by Wonderment in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  https://www.jw.org/en/whats-new/books-of-titus-and-philemon-study-edition-now-available-online/.

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  Anything WTC produces will be out of print and Verboten later. Can anyone take them seriously? I have a set of Studies in the Scriptures and let me tell you, that is the most jumbled nonsense that anyone could ever devise. No serious Bible scholar would endorse the misinterpretaions that are presented as dogmatic facts.

  WTC wants to call the changes "new light" but it is just the same old darkness. WTC should be ashamed, and they should get out of the Bible interpretation business. Their best bet is to stick with what they are good at - REAL ESTATE FLIPPING.
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  114,000, Literal, or Symbolic?

  by Wonderment in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a poster wrote to me privately, and brought to my attention the following comment below i made a while back in regards to the 144,00 number of revelation.

  i had casually conjectured that this number was likely symbolic in line with the book of revelation being mostly symbolic in kind.

  he brought up this juicy source:.

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  Vanderhoven, WTC talks out of both sides of its' mouth. Since Rutherford redefined the meaning of the great crowd and the 144K, they have struggled to make their narrative fit the reality of history.

  JW's want part of the verses in Rev 7 and 14 to be literal while the rest of the verse is figurative. They say the number is literal but that the individuals are not literally virgins. They say the number is literal but the individuals are not actual descendents of Abraham. And the list goes on...

  It is word salad by tthe time WTC finishes interpreting a Bible verse.
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  Secret Building Project?

  by Mum in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i watch a lot of ex-jw videos on youtube and read many of the comments.

  recently, i watched a video by an ex-jw whose videos i had never watched before.

  i don't remember his handle.. anyway, there was only one comment posted at the time i watched the video.

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  They tried to keep the facility in Argentina a secret but the Guardian broke the story. They are one of the secretive organizations that they always wardned against.
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  was Judas there?

  by enoughisenough in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  from luke 22:14 .

  so when the hour came, he reclined at the table along with the apostles.+ 15 and he said to them: “i have greatly desired to eat this passover with you before i suffer; 16 for i tell you, i will not eat it again until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of god.” 17 and accepting a cup, he gave thanks and said: “take this and pass it from one to the other among yourselves, 18 for i tell you, from now on, i will not drink again from the product of the vine until the kingdom of god comes.”+.

  19 also, he took a loaf,+ gave thanks, broke it, and gave it to them, saying: “this means my body,+ which is to be given in your behalf.+ keep doing this in remembrance of me.”+ 20 also, he did the same with the cup after they had the evening meal, saying: “this cup means the new covenant+ by virtue of my blood,+ which is to be poured out in your behalf.+.

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  The accounts do seem to lean in 2 different directions. WTC would love to write Judas out of the account, as if traitorous persons could not drink the wine and eat the unleavened bread. Does it really matter? Ray Franz, Ewart Chitti, Leo Greenleas, Rutherford and others partook and the sky did not fall. Shame on WTC for even making it an issue. It is just another distraction from the real issues that Christians must contend with.
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  which Translation Now?

  by enoughisenough in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  for those of you who still respect the bible, which translation/s are you using now?

  why?.

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  Excellent Wonderment!
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  What are the odds that Armageddon is soooo close?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  well judging from past prophetic pronouncements....go figure.

  "surely there is not the slightest room for doubt in the mind of a truly consecrated child of god that the lord jesus is present and has been since 1874;…" watchtower 1924 jan 1 p.5).

  "the prophecy of the bible, fully supported by the physical facts in fulfillment thereof, shows that the second coming of christ dates from the fall of the year 1914.

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  I once asked an automobile restoration specialist why he left his cars out in the weather, subject to the elements while they waited for him to put them into the schedule for renewal. He said that he could undo all the damage as long as he got to them in a reasonable timeframe.

  Whether the end is close or not, I suppose God knows that he can undo all the damage to mankind (and individuals) when he takes action for the salvation of all. That is hard to accept when I see innocent people suffering unspeakable pain. However, I still accept it.

  The average lifetime of seventy-four years is not a long time, except when one is enduring. I still have confidence that even the worst pains in life will pale in comparison to the grace that God will extend. I once endured a terrible ordeal and thankfully survived. In retrospect, I feel that it made me a better person, even though no justice was ever served.

  If the end is close, so be it. If not, I think we will still be saved and appreciate later that our confidence was not misplaced, or lost.

  I hope this doesn't sound wishy washy, but it is how I honestly feel.