Posts by ThomasMore

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Who raised Jesus from the dead?

by Blotty in

i have seen arguments surrounding jesus' resurrection being proof of "the trinity" - now while in some cases it's a good argument the evidence for it remains very weak.

(bible quotes are from the nwt but other bibles are referenced, use whichever you please) this following version of it is a good example.. "the bible indicates that all [persons] of the trinity was involved in jesus’ resurrection.

galatians[1:1] says that the father raised jesus from the dead.

ThomasMore

I cannot be that cynical Jeffro. I think people tell accounts of what they experienced. For me to say so many are mistaken seems wrong. Whatever the case, I personally feel that my body is part of my existence but not all. What is it that really makes me me? I think it is a stream of consciousness that I cannot explain without resorting to the belief in my life force. If I am correct, then losing this physical body for another is not. But, I could be wrong…

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Who raised Jesus from the dead?

by Blotty in

i have seen arguments surrounding jesus' resurrection being proof of "the trinity" - now while in some cases it's a good argument the evidence for it remains very weak.

(bible quotes are from the nwt but other bibles are referenced, use whichever you please) this following version of it is a good example.. "the bible indicates that all [persons] of the trinity was involved in jesus’ resurrection.

galatians[1:1] says that the father raised jesus from the dead.

ThomasMore

This is the calibre of discussion that I expect on this forum. Many of the reasonings are excellent for consideration and I appreciate the spirited, yet civil way that they are presented.

May I add that I do believe in the resurrection, however, I think that WTC missed something critical in their reasoniing about the soul. I believe that their position on an immortal soul is Bible-based, yet they speak very little about the life force that animates the body.

If a person dies and everything deteriorates so that there is no connection to his previous existence, then resurrection can only be duplication. I do not believe that duplication is what any of us would hope for. Imagine that you are presented with a perfect duplicate of yourself and this person has all the same memories and the same biological characteristics. Would you be satisfied to die and let that duplicate version of you continue? Somehow I doubt that you would. There is no connection between you and that person.

The Bible says that the life force came from God and goes back to God. Perhaps this is the connection. It is not an immortal soul in the sense of what many Christians believe, but it is what makes you who you are. I have no inside information as to how this works, but if I am on the right track, the life force could reanimate a duplicate body (spirit or biological) and the connection is established - the person lives again.

If I am wrong, so be it. I am not dogmatic about any particular position. I am only positive that there is a distict difference between resurrection and clever duplication. If offered the latter, I would rather remain in a non-existent state.

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The Gospel According to Jehovah's Witnesses

by Vanderhoven7 in

mark jones explains the watchtower gospel much better than i can.. "the good news that christians in the first century preached was the birth, death and resurrection of jesus christ; that all those who believed in him were saved and reconciled to god through the death of his son.. unfortunately jehovah’s witnesses) have been led to believe it is something bizarrely different.

the good news according to the watchtower society is as follows:.

the the good news (according to jehovah’s witnesses).

ThomasMore

Vanderhoven, I think you pretty much nailed it. It took me decades to see them for what they are. Thanks!

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Call The Police and Press Charges.

by Lost in the fog in

it strikes me as a double standard - if someone in the congregation is known by the elders to be a child abuser they wouldn't call the police and "bring reproach on jehovah" as numerous reports have shown.. however, if someone disturbs a congregation meeting the elders are instructed by the org to call the police and tell the police that they want to press charges against the individual.. you couldn't make this stuff up!.

ThomasMore

WTC also directs the BOE to call the police to report vandalism of a KH. I know this to be true as 2 KHs I attended were vandalized. The Branch instructed us to call the police immediately. Too bad they couldn't feel the same sense of urgency when they learned that a child in their midst was molested. Children are apparently worth less in the eyes of WTC than their quickbuild KHs are. It's hard to draw any other conclusion.

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The real story on why The Watchtower society lost a Kingdom hall in Bonham ,Texas.!

by koolaid-man in

jw
friends

what happened in bonham, texas?

: the body of elders and the majority of the congregation decided to leave the watch tower organization.

and with that, they took the kingdom hall.

ThomasMore

Truthsetonefree - also heard of that one. It is outrageous dishonesty that WTC still claims over 8.5 million publishers when everyone sees the same shrinking going on. JWs don't want to admit that the religion peaked in the late 90's.

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Looking for a CSA Video

by Vanderhoven7 in

this will be a short one.. i am looking for a csa court case that was posted months ago that was actually reported to a gb member and nothing was done because of the importance of the individual to the media production.

anyone have the video regarding that case?.

ThomasMore

The Briggs case is settled now with an undisclosed out of court settlement. The accuser was awarded cash and her father admitted (as part of the settlement) to sexually abusing her. Her mother admitted that it was going on at Bethel but she did nothing.

The father still lives in Ecuador, WTC still shields pedophiles, and victims are still silenced. The speed that WTC dispatched this case is remarkable. It indicates the degree of exposure they felt given the gravity and notoriety of the father and other B'Lites who knew what was going on. I am not bound by a non-disclosure so calling people out personally is a real possibility.

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Jehovah's Witnesses discontinue online Bible Study program today 12/12/2022

by Balaamsass2 in

well, that went by the wayside quickly.

another flip-flop by the indiscrete slave?.

december 12, 2022what’s new.

ThomasMore

Online study leads sincere ones AWAY from WTC. They fear that - so it had to go.

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Keep telling yourself that!

by Lost in the fog in

in the latest copy of the elders textbook someone kindly made available to us on this website, i see that "independently organized meetings for spiritual feeding" are still not allowed.

no wonder because independent research would let the scales fall from the eyes.. the gb still insisting that they are guided by the (always lower case) holy spirit and the bible!!

not that the rank and file members need the bible or holy spirit themselves because they are fed through meetings, conventions, assemblies, jw broadcasting and the publications.

ThomasMore

WTC will not tolerate competition or any forum that could challenge their flimsy teachings. I saw this play out many times and each time, good-hearted people with sincere intentions were counseled to discontinue associating with others in the cong for fear that it could be viewed as apostasy. It was in direct opposition to Jesus words that where 2 or more were gathered in his name, he would support the effort by beign there (in a sense).

WTC is the modern day religious leaders who do not lead the people to salvation and will not tolerate any who seek it apart from them.

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Anyone know of specific subliminal pictures?

by cognac in

the only one i know about is the big jesus in the revelation book.. know of any specific other ones?

i want to show hubby....

ThomasMore

That one was intentional and raised a stir at the Bible House. Trust me on this one.

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Striving for more

by punkofnice in

i hate my life!

i have to say it, but i do.. i have a sneaking suspicion that because i was raised in the dangerous jehovah borgness cult, that this is the reason.

i was told if god didn't watch me masturbating or smoking, then he'd let me live forever in perfect conditions.. i left the borg and as a result my jw wife left me and re-married another gung ho jobo.

ThomasMore

Punk, I am not sure how to measure happiness but I have no problem getting precise measurements on sadness. You have had some bad experiences and even though you deserve to be bitter or depressed or both, I hope you can find some meaning in the time you have left above ground. I won't recommend anything other than a good dog who keeps you grounded. Mine reminds me that someone depends on me and I am needed. I just can't let him down, and he never stops treating me like I am significant to his happiness.

BTW - I enjoy your sharp-witted posts. At least keep me amused.