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  Rumour 144,000 literal number teaching to be abandoned at Annual Meeting

  by slimboyfat in

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  say it ain’t so!

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  in one sense it’s a no brainer because the figures just don’t add up any more.. in another (negative) sense it’s a no brainer because it’s been fundamental to jws since year dot and might undermine the whole thing?

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  Trying to make sense of WTC numbers is maddening as Blondie proves.

  These days, it seems that few organizations tell the truth and fewer are willing to admit it even when their assertions are proven false beyond all doubt. So where are all the liars headed? All we can say is "in the wrong direction".

  If WTC admits at the next annual meeting that the 144,000 is a figurative number, or that it is perhaps the number of actually engaged heavenly citizens at a given time - they expose that they have no clue whatsoever. In fact, WTC does not have Bible scholars who have any formal training in theological studies - and yes - it does matter.

  The fruitage of such theological illiteracy is the flip flops we have seen over the years. It is not "new light" - just the same old charlatans changing clothes while hoping that no one notices.
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  Half hearted JWs compared to past generations

  by JohnR1975 in

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  is it just me or has there been a massive change in jws of late?.

  when i grew up in the cult they had a real sense of urgency and would do an hour minimum, these days it’s not even ten mins before coffee break.. same goes for everything else, it’s half hearted .

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  There is little doubt that the zeal for preaching has diminished. I have not heard any statements indicating excitement in the previous YEARS. Other religions have kept up the pace of preaching. Mormons and smaller evangelical groups are active where I live, showing no evidence of slowing down.

  So what happened to JWs to make them give up on the preaching that was once a hallmark of their existence? Beth Sarim listed some valid reasons - I think there some on a micro level that also merit consideration. Even though I have my own ideas, I would like to hear what you think.
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  Do you recognize this?

  by Gorb in

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  2. friends

  thinking sometimes about my youth days and the stories my grandfather told me about our jw congregation.

  do you recognize that your congregation was full of somehowe strange folks, very low educated, poor and simple?.

  the po was an elder with some distance, with some personality acting intelligent and following the rules strict.. there was always a kind of scandal.

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  As a child, we had a dizzying array of nutters and criminals. Even decades later, I am still learning of the secrets that the elders tried to cover. By the time I left to go to serve at Bethel, I was thoroughly convinced that the devil was speeding freely through the congregation in a race car.

  I hesitate to say that all congs were like ours, but I suspect that WTC left it intact because it WAS like so many others.
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  WTS 2024 Annual Business Meeting ...

  by careful in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ... is just three weeks from this saturday.

  the org has been tight-lipped, really, successfully secret about advance info on these in recent years,.

  now that these relatively recent changes on dress and grooming, reporting fs time, judicial matters, etc.

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  "And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come." Mat 24:14

  Not by JW's. At their zenith, they were at arms reach of approx. 49% of the world's population. Not necessarily preaching, just operating close enough to be said to be visible.

  A GB member told me that and I always wondered how they could possibly apply it to themselves/ I think he did also.

  Now I believe that they have given up on that potion/notion. It is such an impossible mission that even Tom Cruise won't accept the role.
  
  
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  Rumour 144,000 literal number teaching to be abandoned at Annual Meeting

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  say it ain’t so!

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  in one sense it’s a no brainer because the figures just don’t add up any more.. in another (negative) sense it’s a no brainer because it’s been fundamental to jws since year dot and might undermine the whole thing?

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  I think like many other changes - it is a distraction from the serious problems they facing like attendance, CSA settlements, government investigations, down-sizing, KH sales, asset consolidation, obesity:( ...

  Seriously, none of the changes they have made thus far have actually made any difference in their attendance which is diminishing. Perhaps they have decided to finally address the many inquiries they receive about this erroneous teaching, but I doubt it. My gut (irritable bowel syndrome) tells me that these changes shift the conversation among remaining members, meanwhile behind the scenes, significant changes like the transfer of assets to the Irish corporations are in play, and SHOULD be making members seriously question what they are doing.

  The bottom line: WTC has no clue when it comes to scriptural matters. I get a higher degree of accuracy flipping a coin.
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  Blood transfusions

  by lovecrissy in

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  2. medical

  i can't find a answer to this- what type of transfusions are not accepted-.

  prbc( packed red blood cells).

  ffp- fresh frozen plasma.

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  PRBC( packed red blood cells) - not acceptable - not even one's own PRBCs extracted and infused later.

  FFP- fresh frozen plasma - not acceptable, although patients may receive all the fractionated parts of plasma separately without any repercussions, as long as they do not receive whole plasma all at once.

  Cryoprecipitate- conscience matter. Most JWs readily accept it. A patient must be type/cast to receive cryo which raises eyebrows. Most HLCs calm this alarm since it is mentioned (favorably) in so much of their support material.
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  Rumour 144,000 literal number teaching to be abandoned at Annual Meeting

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  say it ain’t so!

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  in one sense it’s a no brainer because the figures just don’t add up any more.. in another (negative) sense it’s a no brainer because it’s been fundamental to jws since year dot and might undermine the whole thing?

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  In other news, Pinocchio announces that he is now a real boy.

  WTC never disappoints. They keep making announcements like they have actual insight into the scriptures. If they make this change, does it make them more of a charlatan or less?
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  Ukraine - Nato - US crisis

  by mikeflood in

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  don't understand....but this crisis in ukraine seems to be getting out of control....i mean, everybody knows how to start a war..... by the way, as always, people at the borg are having a field day.....

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  Putin has become predictable, dropping the threat to go nuclear whenever the war HE STARTED escalates.

  Fighting together, Europe, the Nato nations and the U.S. would crush Russia overnight and Putin would likely be deposed by his own people. China would vanish from his side immediately, Unfortunately, it is a long shot that the military would ignore/defy him and refuse to go nuclear.

  Biden has no clue of how to tamp the conflict down. Neither does Harris. Trump is over-confident that he has the magic words to talk Putin down. Thanks to the current administration, there may not be a solution that does not include the death of many many innocent persons.
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  MANY DIFFICULT YEARS AHEAD : PER CHRISTENSEN

  by raymond frantz in

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  https://youtu.be/jsmbtv4nafi?si=ezj0dnudyjls4knc.

  there was a time they preached the great tribulation was a short period of time between the fall of babylon and jesus coming back to save them, now they realize there are difficult years ahead of us, watch this latest morning worship video by per christensen on this subject .

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  Question: What changes were made in the Rev book?

  Answer: Everything
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  Witnesses after Covid shut down are increasing their calls around my neighborhood

  by wozza in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hi all , i just had another call by a an elderly jw ,let's call him ian.. only about 3 months ago i had a young jw call and trying to talk to him i had to tone it down a bit because he did'nt seem so theocratically bright as he only offered a tract and not much else , and i've had others call since covid.. so it seems around here they are making regular calls but not like back in the day when i used to auxillary pioneer where we would go over this turf every 1 to 3 weeks in the 80's.. but back to my caller ian ,on his own , but out with a group of jw's he was quick to get around the pleasantries and and so i interrupted him tactfully to slow him down.

  started with a bit of my history easing into the fact that i had my first contact with jw's with my soon to be mother-in -law who was an invalided jw ,we had many good talks about her beliefs in the early 70's.. at this point he jumps in and wants to know if i would want a study again because i told him that i once did a study with jw's back.

  i carefully steered him into telling me about those days ,what was he was doing back then.

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  Wozza, if I was still in, you would be on my "CALL LIST". Your facts are refreshing to hear!!!