Posts by Scorpion

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"WorldWatch" on JW's...good stuff here

by sf in

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< http://www.millennia.co.za/worldwatch/watchtower.htm.

< http://www.millennia.co.za/worldwatch/cults.htm.

as you scroll the page, there are many great and to the point questions that are asked of the reader if and when they become or are perhaps considering becoming a member.. and more on freemasons/ illuminati (for those who have requested more pages on this topic):.

Scorpion

Charles,

One only has to read the 1913 Convention report to see Russell's involvment with Masonry.

> http://www.exjws.net/museum/masonry.htm

After reading this, one has to ask themselves, did Russell bring his Masonic beliefs and his Masonic world view into the Watchtower?

Just look at the Masonic symbols used by Russell on the magazines and books printed in the early stages of the WTBTS.

I agree with you that Russell might have been trying to seduce some Masons. I wonder if there is actually any truth in a few of the books I read that the WT in the early stages was financed by Freemasonry and Zionism. The Bible Students I deal with will gladly tell you that Russell was a Zionist. Of course the BS do not care for me to be on their forums.

Just a few things Russell said from the 1913 Convention report.

"I say to you dear friends, We of the Free and Accepted Order of Masons of the Lord Jesus Christ's Commandery have the very highest standard...
One of the highest of this order of ours, a thirty-second degree spiritual Mason. I will call him St. Paul. St. Paul in one of his epistles boasted about the kinds of marks he bore...They were marks such as our Savior had, and such as all the high spiritual Masons must have...
Are you laying aside the works these things that belong to our order of Free and Accepted Masonry? It is the grandest Masonry of all."

Russell refered to Christ as the great Mason and that the Lord's church is a secret order. He said that Jesus was the cheif Mason and that the world did not know him but did slay him. Russell refered to the Great Pyramid as an emblem the Masons use.

Yes, I agree that Russell was using terms as far as a Bible Masonry, but I think it was more than that when you read the evidence and see Russell's involvment.

Take care

Stan

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Biblical, Christian "Morals"

by Norm in

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many people seem to think that moral end ethics would be unknown if it werent for the bible.

the moral of the bible when examined thoroughly is to say the least, extremely relative.

looking at the hebrew scriptures it becomes clear that moral and law was pretty much a tribal and ethnic phenomenon.

Scorpion

Norm,

Logical put it in a nutshell. Your motives are clear to all.

As far as my reply to your original post, I addressed your motives. Your intent was to label all Christians that look to the Bible, as murdering racist morons.

Atheist can also fit the above category as murdering racist morons.

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"WorldWatch" on JW's...good stuff here

by sf in

jw
friends

< http://www.millennia.co.za/worldwatch/watchtower.htm.

< http://www.millennia.co.za/worldwatch/cults.htm.

as you scroll the page, there are many great and to the point questions that are asked of the reader if and when they become or are perhaps considering becoming a member.. and more on freemasons/ illuminati (for those who have requested more pages on this topic):.

Scorpion

Russell was not a member of the Masons. There is no membership enrollment form signed by Russell. However, Russell's belief system was Masonic. A review of Russell's sermons show them to be very Masonic with a touch of Christianity. How did Charles Taze Russell have so much insight into Masonry and how was he privy to Masonic concepts held only for sages and adepts in Masonry?

Russell on one occasion stated that he wasn't a Mason but referred to the Masons as his "BROTHERS in Masonry." He also referred to the International Bible Student as "The highest order of Freemasonry.

What makes one an atheist? Do you have to become an official member of the "Atheist Society" to be an atheist? No. One is an atheist because of one's beliefs. Russell is considered by many as a Mason because his belief system was laced with Masonry.

Russell was a Mason in heart, mind and soul. Some people are more Jehovah's Witnesses than most JW's, and yet they are not baptized. They are not official members of the WT, but are Witnesses in heart, soul and mind.

What can be dangerous is our belief sysytem, not our membership.

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Biblical, Christian "Morals"

by Norm in

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friends

many people seem to think that moral end ethics would be unknown if it werent for the bible.

the moral of the bible when examined thoroughly is to say the least, extremely relative.

looking at the hebrew scriptures it becomes clear that moral and law was pretty much a tribal and ethnic phenomenon.

Scorpion

So tell us Norm, who's morals shall we live by? Lets set the Bible aside. Many people today do not give a sqaut about what the Bible says or even know what it says. What one considers moral, another may think it immoral. I know some atheist (I am not atheist) that call black people niggers and homosexuals fags and homos. Many of these could not qoute a scripture or verse if their life depended on it.

Maybe their morals are ones we should all live by. Just think, no more blacks and homosexuals to downgrade the way of life for all of us moral people.

People make choices for what way of life they choose to live and how they think about others. With some the Bible comes into play, with others it does not. Just because the Bible has what appears to you to be immoral behavior, does not mean that people that try to live their lives accepting the Bible are going to go out and kill, sacrifice, steal etc.

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Calling all bible experts !!!

by thinker in

question:.

genesis says that on the first day god creates lightand divides the light from the dark.

then on day four he creates the sun, moon, and stars to divide the light from the dark.

Scorpion

Colossians 1:15

Does the word first-born in the Bible necessarily mean the first one who was born or created?

Read Psalms 89:27, it says David was the firstborn. (David was the last-born son of Jesse) God was not speaking of birth order but of rank above others to a preeminent position. The term firstborn in scripture is often used to signify priority in importance or rank, rather than actual birth order.

Col 1:18 identifies Christ as "the head" and "the first-born" and says that this is for the purpose "that in everything he might be pre-eminent" (RSV)

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Calling all bible experts !!!

by thinker in

question:.

genesis says that on the first day god creates lightand divides the light from the dark.

then on day four he creates the sun, moon, and stars to divide the light from the dark.

Scorpion

Genesis 1:5 And God began calling the light Day, but the darkness he called Night. And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, a first day.(NWT)

I am sure spinner will put a spin on this verse to prove that Jesus is also called "DAY" and Satan is called "evening".

The problem I see with saying Jesus is the light in verse 3, is that it does not fit the context of the rest of the chapter.

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questions i should ask

by tattoogrl333 in

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i have just begun recently to meet with a jw to study the bible and various material that i have been given.

i have no prior religous background and have only started to read the bible about 3 mo ago.

after reading a lot of the posts i have noticed a lot of people talking about how when they started to question jw beliefs, they were shunned.

Scorpion

I would suggest you getting informed as much as possible before asking any questions or studying with the Witnesses. The questions will come with knowledge and information.

> http://www.freeminds.org

> http://www.premier1.net/~raines/articles.html

Witnesses can be very tactfull and convincing, they are trained to be.
If you are not prepared to deal with them, you just may end up one if you are not informed.

One question you may ask is why does the organization not recognize the original teachings of the founder Charles Taze Russell?

Why don't they study the books written by Russell that were supposed to be a guide to understanding the Bible?

Why did the second president Joseph Rutherford condemn the pyramid teachings of Russell as being from Satan? WT 11/15/1928 page 341 and 344

Can you trust an organization that taught from Satans Bible for over 50 years? WT 11/15/1928 page 344

I have hundreds of questions, but I would suggest getting informed before continueing your study.

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Calling all bible experts !!!

by thinker in

question:.

genesis says that on the first day god creates lightand divides the light from the dark.

then on day four he creates the sun, moon, and stars to divide the light from the dark.

Scorpion

thinker,

The way I see it, light was one of God's creations, darkness, being negative, was not. The creation of light is mentionmed first, since the succession of days and nights is to be the frame in which the work of creation takes place.

God does not need the sun to produce light.

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The secret of SUE revealed

by Sue in

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ok, now i reveal the truth about sue.

1/ i am a woman.. 2/ i am german.

3/ i am disfellowshipped.

Scorpion

Alternative,

The fact that your father acknowledges that the Holy Spirit and the directing of the organization are what is said when one is baptized, shows that you are following not just the HS but a man made organization that has made several mistakes. Does the HS mislead and make mistakes, change major teachings that affected peoples lives adversely, as well as false prophetic blunders?

Ask yourself, what kind of spirit directs the WT organization?

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What If ???

by Big Jim in

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what if the borg sent out a letter adressed to all congregations in the united states and it said this.. dear brothers:.

the faithfull and discreet slave in which you know is directed by jehovahs holy spirit has directed us to request that you immediatley begin to rid yourself of any and all unnecessary material items, and we are requesting that all moneys from the sell of these items be sent to the wbts as soon as possible.. after you rid yourself of these burdens it should be no problem for all of the brotherhood to begin the full time preaching work as regular pioneers.

you can rest assured that jehovah will provide for all of your needs since you are putting his kingdom first.. best wishes from your fellow slaves at the borg.. .

Scorpion

I would jump off a cliff if Jehovah (The Organization) told me too.

I would sacrifice my children if Jehovah (The Organization) told me too.

I would sell everything I had if Jehovah (The organization) told me too.

These are a few phrases that active JWs used when I was still in the borg and going door to door with them. I believe many would follow suit but as Yerusalyim said, many would fake it. Sad to be so controlled by men.