Posts by Scully

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A poem about SHARIA LAW: "She's buried chest-high"

by Nathan Natas in

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http://vimeo.com/22629374.

Scully

The Stoning of Soraya M. was not just an eye opening movie for me regarding the brutality of Sharia Law.

It filled me with a rage that I have never felt before. It made me sick for the innocent women who are railroaded into star-chamber, Judicial Committee™-like tribunals that are orchestrated to allow men to get rid of a wife they no longer desire. It made me feel contempt for the culture that raises boys and girls to believe that misogyny is normal, and that to disrespect your mother and all the other females in your life is a god-given right.

It made me want to learn Arabic. So many immigrant women from Arabic-speaking countries are not allowed by their husbands to learn to speak English, and if they do understand English, they will only whisper to you when the husband isn't around. I've met many of them after they have their babies. Their husbands speak for them, and claim to "translate" for them. I often had the feeling that the women did not feel free to express themselves in the presence of their husband. They seldom made eye contact, and when they did, all I could feel was fear and pleading from them. Even when I requested an interpreter for them, I often felt that I couldn't trust the translator.

I hate that the mentality that embraces Sharia Law is making a foothold in the west. I hate that all the strides we've made for gender equality could be dismantled within a generation if politicized Islamists have sufficient electoral support.

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Aloha, I'm new and in need of legal advice

by robyn1991 in

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so i've been told there are a few people on her that could help me with this problem?.

to cut a very long story short, i was raised a jw, i left the wt in january to be with my partner, a non-jw.

i was marked for dating, even though i hadn't attended a meeting since december.

Scully

Clarify the content of the announcement with your father first.

Was it a "disfellowshipping" announcement? or was it the new format whereby they announce that a person "is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses"?

The defense the Elders™ would likely use is that you "Disassociated™ yourself by your actions".

My advice (though not legal advice) would be to save your money, spare yourself the stress during what should be one of the happiest times of your life, and enjoy the remainder of your pregnancy getting ready for the baby. Develop a good relationship with your partner's family and enjoy the attention they will lavish on you and your baby.

If I were you and intent on suing someone, it would be your mother and her big mouth, for violating the confidence you shared with her. Frankly I'd be inclined to never speak to her again.

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Help Please. Mother says she can prove I will die using the bible alone, no WT literature

by scooterspank in

she says she can prove i will die if i'm not in the "truth" strictly using the bible .

Scully

I have to wonder what is your mother's motivation in being a Bible Bully?

Is it really because she loves you?

Or, more likely, is it because it allows her to feel superior to you?

The WTS has been proclaiming death to non-believers for over 125 years. The bible has been doing the same for 5000 years. Eventually, everyone dies, and nobody can change that. The bible and the WTS merely attempt to subvert peoples' activities away from their own self-interest, to activities that benefit the belief system du jour, by promising a surreal afterlife that can be enjoyed if you simply sacrifice the life you do have for something in the future that may or may not even be real.

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How many current teachings have not been altered at all?

by Paralipomenon in

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a point in another thread about the organization being directed by holy spirit made me think of this question.. is there a single teaching from the start of the witnesses that remains unchanged to this day?.

i've spent a few minutes and haven't come up with a single current teaching that hasn't been altered somehow.. - initially there wasn't a paradise earth, all were going to heaven.

- door to door was more public protests.

Scully

The only one I can think of is the belief that only the WTS offers accurate knowledge of god's plan, and ultimately salvation for its followers.

But, in essence, I agree that if CT Russell were alive today, the belief system he founded would be unrecognizable from the one it has morphed into over the past 125 years.

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My uncle who is an Elder has been warned not to ''talk or meet grandson''.

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

my cousin( who was disfellowshipped many years ago) told me that he cannot speak to or come over to his grandfather's any longer.. he would stop by every month or so just to see his grandfather and grandmother.

they are both in their 80's and not in the best of health.. my uncle who is still serving as an elder would talk to his grandson only when his grandson would visit his house.

well,someone found out and snitched on my uncle.

Scully

A couple of years before Mr Scully and I left the JWs, I was severely affected by postpartum depression. Prior to that, I was one of the first people in the congregation to lend a hand to help someone in need, visit people who needed encouragement, and so on, without hesitation. It was just the right thing to do - the Christian thing to do.

Boy oh boy, did I ever get a rude awakening in my time of need. Not only did nobody in our Congregation™ lift a finger to help me, a malicious campaign of gossip and social ostracism and bullying ensued. It got to the point where I was suicidal and needed to be hospitalized. When I tried to explain what was going on around me that triggered my suicidal thoughts to the psychiatrist, he looked at me and said: "Y'know, we aren't supposed to tell people what to do, but I really think you need a different church - this one isn't doing you any good."

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My uncle who is an Elder has been warned not to ''talk or meet grandson''.

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

my cousin( who was disfellowshipped many years ago) told me that he cannot speak to or come over to his grandfather's any longer.. he would stop by every month or so just to see his grandfather and grandmother.

they are both in their 80's and not in the best of health.. my uncle who is still serving as an elder would talk to his grandson only when his grandson would visit his house.

well,someone found out and snitched on my uncle.

Scully

If he is an Elder™, the Publications™ allow for him to speak with DFd people.

Whoever warned him against seeing or speaking with his DFd grandson is totally ignorant of WTS rules.

Your uncle should advise whoever it was that gave him the warning that the WTS does not frown on DFd/Worldly™ relatives assisting elderly JWs (because the congregation is too effing unreliable to do so and doesn't give a crap anyway). Then get your cousin to do some helpful task around the home (bring them some groceries, cut the grass, move some furniture, etc.) that your uncle and aunt can no longer do easily.

If your DFd cousin were to stop helping them, you can bet your bottom dollar that the JWs wouldn't lift a finger to help them instead.

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Preventing a minor child from being baptized if you are their parent

by RayPublisher in

there may be no way legally for me to stop this, but it is a worry since i "woke up" to the truth about the truth a couple years ago.. now my young kids (9 and 11) are heading in that direction at the urging of their mother.

i am still inside and trying to do a fade (for family/friend reasons) but sometimes i wonder if leaving would be smarter in the long run for them.

any thoughts or strategies are welcome.. .

Scully

What's the rush?

Caesar™ doesn't allow children to do whatever they want until they reach a certain level of maturity.

They can't consume alcohol legally, obtain a driver's licence, enter into a contract, obtain a credit card, join the military, get a job, drop out of school, buy firearms, purchase cigarettes, get married, etc.

I like comparing baptism to the stance that the WTS presents regarding marriage, from the old Making Your Family Life Happy book (the gold cover). They recommend that a courtship take place over an extended period of time to allow each person to get to know the other, rather than rushing into a marriage hastily and having regrets later on. They say this because marriage is such a serious commitment, and a vow taken before god.

Why, then, should anyone rush into baptism - particularly if the individual in question is not fully mature (at least not mature enough to get married), if that commitment involves a vow taken before god and is a decision that is considered even more serious than marriage? Jesus was a fully mature adult of 30 years of age. He was certainly old enough to be married, have a livelihood and a trade before his baptism, and before beginning his ministry. He undertook that decision as an adult, having studied under Jewish teachers during his youth. He didn't have his parents coaxing him into it, or wanting to get baptized because all his friends were doing it, the way a lot of young JWs in their teens do. It was HIS decision, as an adult, and nobody else's.

You might, if discussing it privately with your wife, express concern that should either of your children make a poor decision post-baptism that you'd both be required to shun them. Say that you know you've got great kids, but you don't think you could handle it, and you wouldn't want her to experience that pain either. Make it about preventing her from having her heart broken like that. Wonder out loud with her whether it would be better for the children to be a little more mature, a little wiser, so they can make an informed decision from the heart, rather than one that is based on peer/parental pressure. Say you'd hate for them to make a mistake after they got baptized before they were really ready, and end up DFd... and then turn around and say "mom and dad pressured us into it, and now they won't speak to us". It has to be their decision, without any external influence from any source, including yourselves.

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Potiphar's Brazen Hussy of a Wife :-<

by snowbird in

http://www.ccel.org/a/anonymous/jasher/44.htm.

no good, conniving, lying heifer!

syl.

Scully

Now, now. Simmer down.

She must have been part of god's plan for Joseph. Otherwise, he wouldn't have been thrown in the prison. Otherwise, his gift for interpreting dreams wouldn't have become evident. Otherwise, he wouldn't have been identified by prisoners as the go-to-guy for interpreting Pharaoh's dreams. Otherwise, he wouldn't have been made Pharaoh's right hand man in preparation for the famine. Etc. Etc. Etc.

Just like Judas was part of god's plan for Jesus. He had to do what he did to fulfill prophecy.

They were instruments of god. Potiphar's wife = Hussy for Hovah.

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Anyone here from Oakville and/or Ancaster, Ontario?

by Ontario_guy in

first time poster here and i was just wondering if anyone on here is from ancaster or oakville, ontario?.

just sick and tired of the double-standard with the so-called witnesses from these areas.

unless you drive a benz, bmw or audi you are nothing.

Scully

It's not recommended to name names of R&F JWs, and moderators will generally edit out names posted when it's noticed. On the other hand COs and DOs, because of their WTS rep status, if the individual poster chooses to identify them by name, we'll generally leave it as is.

Welcome to the forum. I'm not from Ancaster or Oakville, but I do live in Ontario.

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I Did a Stupid Thing Recently

by 30 years out in

facebook has been a valuable tool for finding old friends and catching up on years lost making a living and pursuing our own visions of happiness.

in one of my less inspired moments i decided to look up an old witness friend and roommate from my days in the church.

he had never impressed me as being particularly strong in the faith so i was truly interested to find out what he had been up to for nearly 30 years and if he was still "in".. i located him through his sister's fb page and sent a message to his account stating who i was and that i would be very interested in hearing from him and catching up.

Scully

Oh yes, it's happened to me too.

An old buddy who was raised in the JWs (never baptized though) found me a couple of years ago via FB. Eventually he suggested that I get in touch with his sister, who is my age, and who he described as virtually inactive with the JWs. I figured it would be safe given what he told me, so I sent a brief email to her offering some personal details of things in my life, and asked her if she would be interested in catching up.

Her email in reply was pretty terse. Her objective was to find out whether I was "active" or not.

I responded that I wasn't, but that I had no ulterior motive such as getting her to leave the JWs, and just was interested in how she was doing.

Her next email was quite disturbing, accusing me of trying to "down the truth", and that she wanted no further contact with me.

She did however use my email address to find me on FB and then "friend" all of our mutual non-JW friends from school. I didn't care for her using me like that, so I blocked her pathetic JW ass.