at 8:45 pm the meeting would have just finished....
a woman aged about 50 wearing a flowery skirt and two young men hovering where David was found
I don't think it was an accident....
Posts by Scully
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6Miss a Meeting, Get Hit By a Car
by breakfast of champions inhttp://www.hertfordshiremercury.co.uk/hertfordshire/dad-died-in-hertford-road-traffic-incident-inquest-rules-22022012.htm.
a father-of-five died of injuries from a road traffic incident in hertford, an inquest confirmed yesterday (wednesday february 22).. .
david aldersonbut coroner edward thomas could not say if the death of david alderson, 66, was accidental, as the driver who hit him in welwyn road, sele farm, has never come forward.. the body of the welwyn garden city resident was found by a cyclist at 6.50am on july 27 last year.. collision investigator constable edward peachment told hatfields coroners court it was believed david was struck by a large vehicle which launched him over the fence, but it was unclear which way he was facing.. he said the motorist would have realised they had hit something.. the retired lorry driver was last seen at peartree surgery in welwyn at 5.30pm the day before, but his actions between then and when he was found are unknown and so is the time of death.. he failed to attend his jehovahs witness meeting that night, but may have thought it had been cancelled.. he had planned to watch television, having marked out programmes in the tv guide.. a man matching his description was seen walking on the road towards welwyn garden city at 7.30pm.. at 8.45pm, regular road user michelle merison saw a woman aged about 50 wearing a flowery skirt and two young men hovering where david was found, with a car on the other side.. his family are desperate for anyone with information to call the police.. mr thomas said: i implore anyone who knows anything about it or remembers seeing david to give their information.
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Your advice please on "Scriptual Divorce"
by karter inmy ex and i have a legal divorce.. she asked me to write a letter to the b.o.e so she can get a scriptual divorce.. she said she had spoken to the c.o.b.e ans they would take no action against me as i haven't been to a meeting in about 12 years.. my reply "ok get him to put that in writing".
so do you think they will put that in writing?.
and would they take action if i did write the letter giveing her a scriptual divorce?.
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Scully
I'd tell her and her cult to piss up a tree.
Why would you write a letter to the Body Of Elders™ that has the potential to be used against you, to instigate shunning against you, and to instigate defamation of your character?
If she wants to admit to adultery / fornication so she can be Free To Remarry™, and suffer the consequences, then suggest that she do so. She's the one who belongs to the cult, not you, let her play by their rules. You are not obligated to do so.
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Elder's wives
by Zordino ini still go to meetings (sometimes) mostly to acompany my wife and kids.
i have known of jw friends of mine that have gone to elder's for family problems, dispute's with other cult member's or those hemroid's that just won't clear up.
whatever.... i personally never ever told an elder or elder's a stitch of info about my personal life or trouble's etc.
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Scully
I wonder if the breaches of confidentiality occur with enough frequency to make other JWs leary of confiding in a Brother™ who happens to be an Elder™ or a Sister™ who happens to be the wife of an Elder™.
The Organizational™ culture of exposing wrongdoing clearly trumps any value they place on confidentiality, unless, of course, we are referring to JWs who are known to be child molesters.
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Terrible conduct by congregation Elders in hospital room !
by RULES & REGULATIONS inmy uncle was rushed to the hospital last tuesday with severe stomach pain.
(he was diagnosed with colon cancer one year ago.
the doctors, family,and my uncle decided against colon surgery.
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Scully
Some people just need a kick in the nuts.
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My 18-yr old college freshman nephew has just been cut off for leaving the JWs...
by Alfred ini spoke about him in a previous thread... he's the nicest kid you'll ever meet... smart, humble, shows respect and is very kind to everyone around him... except for one minor thing... you guessed it... he no longer believes in the jw religion.
also, he feels it is simply a place for hopeless people to gather and give each other moral support without actually doing anything productive to better their lives... i won't get into the details on how he arrived at this conclusion... suffice to say, he did not want to be a part of this crowd any longer.. incredibly, when he was a lot younger, he was able to convince his jw father (a po) and his jw mother (my sister) that they should let him go to college when he turns 18 (and help him pay for it!!!).
so they started putting some money away and my nephew has been in college since september!.
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Scully
I know it isn't easy. I had huge student loans to repay when I graduated from college. I also had a family to support. But it's so worth it to get an education and a career that satisfies your soul.
It has been just over a year since my final payment on the student loan was made. I can't put in to words what a sense of accomplishment that was to truly earn my own education and pay for it all on my own. It made me appreciate the value of it that much more, particularly after hearing JWs taunting me that I was wasting my time going back to school because Armageddon Was Just Around The Corner™.
There may be scholarships or grants that do not have to be repaid to help your nephew financially. He may need to plan to have a lighter course load to allow him to earn some extra money to pay for books and tuition, and also take some summer courses to help lighten the course load even more. Have him check into getting second hand textbooks (same edition as his courses require) from students who may have dropped a course or no longer need the textbooks.
Can you help him out in some way? It doesn't have to be financial. It could be to have him over for meals regularly, to make sure he's getting enough to eat (because we all know the limited nutrional value of ramen noodles... ) or to get him some toiletries (shampoo, soap, deodorant, toothpaste, etc. because they get de-prioritized when cash flow is limited) or just to hang out with him and let him know that you aren't going to leave him in the lurch like his parents did. I used to buy a chicken on the day the supermarket marked down their meat by 50% to make room for the fresh stuff. I'd roast it on the first day and we'd have maybe half of it for dinner, and half would be leftovers. I'd make sandwiches and a casserole with half the leftovers, and I'd use the carcass to make a big pot chicken stock and put the remaining leftovers in soup, using some celery, onion and carrots and leftover pasta. I paid maybe $5 for the chicken and fed my family of 5 for almost a whole week. If your nephew is willing to learn some basic cooking skills, he can stretch his food budget a long way.
Could you offer him room and board without creating a bigger problem for him with his family? He may really appreciate that someone in his family wants to help him succeed in college, even if you're limited in the way you can make things a bit easier for him.
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Suicide - How many do you know within the JWs
by Lady Lee inthw wts likes to play games with their statistics.
one interesting but truly tragic is the number of jwhovah's witnesses who commit suicie.. now i suspect that if a person commits suicide shortly before or after they are disfellowshipped then the elders would say that person wasn't a witness or that they had done something so terrible that they were too guilty to admit it and by their action of committing suicide they pretty much declared they were no longer a jw.. yup fancy talk to make sure any crap didn't fall on them.. so my question.. do you know of cases like this?
if so then can you answer a few more questions.. had this person been dfed or in real danger of being dfed or whatever the equivalent is if they were never baptized?.
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Scully
finally awake writes:
when I was suffering badly with post partum depression, I got no help from the elders.
At least they recommended medication for depression... which would mean a visit to the doctor.
When I had PPD, I was investigated for Demonized™ articles in my home (without my knowledge or consent, and was pissed off beyond belief when I found out about it), was advised against seeing a psychiatrist (he'll brainwash you right out of The Truth™!), and when I went anyway I was advised against discussing anything about being a JW (he'll think we're all nuts!!). Because I was unable to go Door-to-Door™ due to panic attacks and had asked the Congregation Secretary™ in confidence for help - perhaps sitting in on Bible Studies™ with the Pioneer™ Sisters™, rumours started circulating that Sister Scully doesn't want to go in Service™ anymore, and then a Pioneer™ Sister™ came up to me after a Meeting™ and rudely told me: "Get off your ass and get your own damn Bible Studies™".
Then, I made an extraordinary effort to attend the Memorial™. One of the Elders™ greeted me with "Look at what the cat dragged in". Then during the Memorial™, I had to take the baby to the back of the room because she was fussing, and the Attendants™ refused to pass the Emblems™ to me. There were DFd people in the audience having the Emblems™ passed to them, but not me. I was suicidal from that incident - I just wanted to save Jehovah the trouble of destroying me at Armageddon™. I was in the hospital, and they all knew it, but not one of them gave a $h!t about me. I believed I would have been better off dead, that my family and everyone I knew would have been better off if I was dead.
That happened about 18 years ago... but whenever I write about it here, those feelings come flooding back as if it were yesterday. I still can't write about it without shedding tears.
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do you have 100 watt heartfelt zeal?
by hoser inthis is an interesting quote from the april 15 study edition tower page 17 par 15. .
if satan succeeded in reducing 100-watt.
heartfelt zeal for jehovahs service to.
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Scully
I like the idea of comparing JWs to compact flourescents. Slow to start up and use less energy. They just pretend to give off the same amount of light as a 100-watt bulb.
LMAO
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i spoke with an elder about university
by MsGrowingGirl20 inhe always tells me that i've adopted him as a father...we're pretty close.
i spoke with him asking for some advice about whether or not to pursue my degree.he, to my surprise, couldn't give me his opinion.he told me that if he tells me how he really feels (he says he has some strong views on the matter) he may be disciplined for 'promoting higher education'....in effect he was telling me to go ahead and pursue my degree but not really saying it.
he asked me to promise him that i'll speak to the presiding overseer and the circuit overseer....i haven't as yet.
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Scully
It sounds to me that you are an adult.
You don't need their permission. And they don't need you sharing things with them that are absolutely none of their business. They may believe that they are entitled to be involved in your personal business, but keep reminding yourself that they are NOT.
Your livelihood and your education are none of their business, and they shouldn't be meddling with your life choices. I had to deal with the same kind of mentality when I went back to school, and that was when the JW rules on "higher education" were somewhat relaxed.
We ended up moving outside the circuit to be closer to campus. We never set foot in the Kingdom Hall™ after that point, although at first we didn't rule it out. Still the judgemental attitude reared its head whenever we met JWs we knew: "Why are you wasting time in college, when Armageddon Is Just Around The Corner™??" My answer was that I wanted to provide for my family, the way the Bible expected me to do, because I sure as hell couldn't rely on the Congregation™ for that, and I learned the hard way that when times were tough, help from the Congregation™ was nowhere to be found.
Well, not only did I graduate with honours, I started earning a very decent living that I never could have hoped for with just a high school education. I have paid off my student loans, have a pension plan and can retire in less than 10 years, excellent benefits for myself and my family, have a car that I own, and could support my family independently if that became necessary.
That was 17 years ago. What would my life be like had I listened to the JWs who kept telling me that going to school was a waste of time? It would be exactly like the JWs lives are who warned me against higher education: exactly the same as it was 17 years ago, with the same financial struggles and hardships that I've put behind me.
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Scully
They've basically lumped DFd and DAd people in the same category by stating from the platform that So-and-so Is No Longer One Of Jehovah's Witnesses™. The Legal Department will claim that this change was motivated to remove any negative association that might have come from the term Disfellowshipped™, which would be construed by those hearing as deliberate, unrepentant wrongdoing on the part of the person named, and potentially expose the Congregation™, the local Body of Elders™ and the WTS to allegations of slander against the individual named.
Nobody knows anymore who is DFd or DAd, presumably to remove the thought from the average JW's mind that someone might leave the JWs as a form of protest against internal corruption, or a valid disagreement over doctrine. The implication will be that the announcement serves to paint with the same brush both people deemed to be Unrepentant Wrongdoers™ and people who leave as a conscientious decision of protest against the WTS and/or its doctrines and/or practices.
Eventually, though, I can foresee a time when more and more individuals will be Disassociated By Their Actions™, which would practically eliminate the need for Judicial Committees™. All you'd need would be two people claiming to have observed someone doing something they shouldn't be doing, or the Elders™ approaching someone who is Inactive™ and asking whether they consider themselves to be a JW, and presto! you're Disassociated™ No Longer One of Jehovah's Witnesses™ by the next Service Meeting™.
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"You should never look for/expect happiness in this world"
by ilikecheese inmy jw boyfriend says this all the time whenever i'm venting about life and some of its disappointments, career aspirations and how hard they are to make happen sometimes, problems with friends/family, or just random stuff that gets to me.
i'm not a negative person or anything; i only get moody occasionally.
i am a woman; it's kind of required.
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Scully
You have a JW boyfriend and he says *that* to you??
So, what are you, chopped liver?? Doesn't he believe that your relationship is worth anything??
I would be freaking pissed off and ready to show him the cold side of the door after a psychological back-hander like that.