Posts by Scully

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How do you make a JW vanish?

by Lionel_P_Hartley in

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ask them a hard question!.

amazing how the chorus of jw defenders has vanished - as if one man - despite the promise from yoyomama to answer my question if i answered hers.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=18968&site=3.

Scully

AlanF writes:

Again, what scriptures back up the Society's separation of blood into "allowed" and "disallowed" components?

The very idea of separating blood into 'good' and 'bad' components is ludicrous, in and of itself. It's laughable that the WTS says that a person cannot receive white blood cells from another person to save their life, while at the same time they promote breastfeeding. Now, I myself am an advocate for breastfeeding, but the WTS conveniently ignores the fact that the major component of breastmilk is, in fact, leukocytes, or white blood cells. Where do they suppose all those wonderful immune-enhancing properties come from???

Whole blood, leukocyte reduced packed red blood cells, plasma, albumin, clotting factors, immune globulins.... they are all BLOOD products. Just because they are all together in one place doesn't mean that one part is 'better' or 'worse' than others. They all work together to perform the various functions of each component, and in practice are separated and administered to patients who need whatever 'gift' or 'feature' the component provides. It's all "good". Isn't that what God said in Eden?? In fact didn't He look at His creation and say "It was very good"??

Trying to decide which components of blood are better than others is like trying to unbake a cake. Without each and every component present, blood is no longer "blood", but becomes a collection of ingredients of the whole.

Love, Scully RN

It is not persecution for an informed person to expose a certain religion as being false. - WT 11/15/63

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The Absolute "Climax" in My Life as ...

by Erich in

today i experienced the absolute "climax" in my life .

the first words he spoke to us, when we asked him about the state of health of my aunt, were: .

at this moment we were aware of the fact that my aunt always spoke the truth about this man; but she was unable to help herself.

Scully

Erich writes:

One month later I tried to sue against the elder at the court. My wife forbid it. "Never sue against an elder", she said, "this will bring disgrace on Jehovah".

Dear Erich,
I know I have addressed this with you in private email already. Please let your wife know that Jehovah wants you and her to do the RIGHT THING. Please seek justice from the "Superior Authorities". This "elder" has already brought enough disgrace on Jehovah. He needs to be stopped before he does it even more.

We all support you at this awful time.

Love, Scully

It is not persecution for an informed person to expose a certain religion as being false. - WT 11/15/63

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Awake! 1/8/02 issue

by JAVA in

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i picked up the 1/8/02 issue of the awake!

in the waiting area while my car was being serviced yesterday.

when i see harmful literature in places like that, i follow the society's instructions and i hurl them in the trash.

Scully

Patriot writes:

Is it just me or is it hard to believe that one can actually be a firefighter with responsabilities and be in good standing in the cong.?

Yes. We used to be very close friends of a JW who was a firefighter AND served as a pioneer as well as an elder.

I know that one could not be a police officer if it required carrying a gun; there was an article to that effect, the rationale being that if one used the weapon and killed a person who was later found to be innocent, then the officer would be considered "bloodguilty". If I remember correctly, there was basically an ultimatum given that a person in such line of work would have 6 months to change their job to conform with this "new light", or else face congregational discipline.

Love, Scully

It is not persecution for an informed person to expose a certain religion as being false. - WT 11/15/63

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Who of you in this forum have been df'ed?

by YoYoMama in

if it is possible can you post why you were disfellowshipped?

Scully

YoYoMaMa writes:

I am a sort of psychiatrist

in other words, you merely pretend to know what you're talking about.

sheesh, you're even a hypocrite TO YOURSELF!

quite pathetic indeed

Love, Scully

It is not persecution for an informed person to expose a certain religion as being false. - WT 11/15/63

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Praying before meals

by teejay in

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my jw wife is teaching my nearly-3yr old to pray before meals.

i'm cool with that... doesn't bother me at all.

the problem is, i'd like to accept my role as father but i don't know how to lead in this area.

Scully

More Archie Bunker mealtime 'prayers'

Thanks for the grub, Bub

Good food, good meat
Good God, let's eat

Seriously though, I noticed a positive difference when we had prayer before meals. We were all settled at the table which had been properly set, prayer was said; we all said "Amen" together; and then the meal began. I used to enjoy the fact that we all ate together, and finished together.

Our life has become far more 'rushed' in recent years. We seldom dine together at the dining room table, unless it is a special occasion. Dinner time (because of my working 12 hour night shift) has become more like a cafeteria procession through the kitchen as everyone takes a plate and serves themselves before parking in front of the TV. More often than not, I prepare a container of whatever I've made and have it much later, re-warmed, at work. If I happen to be at home at dinner time, the plates are dispensed to the children, then my husband (if he isn't in line then he goes to the back of the bus ), then me. Sometimes, before I've even had time to have my own meal, one of the kids is back for seconds. There have been days when this habit has been very annoying for me, and I think back to our JW days when it was unthinkable to start eating before I was seated at the table and prayer was said. Then I start remembering all the other BS that went along with being a JW... so much for my moment of nostalgia

When I was growing up, we had a couple stay with us for a while who were special pioneers attending the French school for pioneers in Montreal. My dad often asked the brother to offer the mealtime prayer, and every single time he included thanks and blessing "for Your provision of food and the hands that have prepared it." When the brother and his wife had dinner with their classmates, my dad once commented that he thought it was ridiculous that Tom had requested a blessing on the hands that prepared the meal... my mother's... that it was giving 'undue attention to one person'. I was only a kid, but I happened to say something to the effect that I thought it was a nice and appreciative thing to do, and maybe Dad would feel differently if it had been HIM doing all the cooking. Next thing I knew, it was "spanking time". Figures. lol

Love, Scully

It is not persecution for an informed person to expose a certain religion as being false. - WT 11/15/63

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JW's and "free" literature...

by Andyman in

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i have a discussion going on another board about the so called "free" literature from the society.

i have tried to explain that is not free but the jw's insist i am lying.. all the jw's keep saying it's "free" no charge.

i would love any comments on this topic so i can link it to the jw's over there.

Scully

Belbab writes:

But what I found most illuminating is this: Many congregations would get behind with their literature accounts with the Society. Now congregations pay up front to the Society. Literature is sent out to the congregations and payment is automatically drawn from the cong's bank accounts as it comes in. If there is a shortfall in contributions for the literature, the congregation has to absorb it somehow.

Huh?? They still CHARGE congregations for literature, even though they request DONATIONS instead of charging the cost of production??? I noticed when they switched to the Donation Arrangement, the Accounts Report no longer included a breakdown of what was owed for literature or magazines; so naturally everyone assumed that the congregation wasn't being charged for them. So much for that theory. I remember hearing about deficits in the literature/magazine accounts in the past too, but I thought that was strange because you couldn't just take your magazines without paying for them first.

Love, Scully

It is not persecution for an informed person to expose a certain religion as being false. - WT 11/15/63

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Gordon Brown's baby has died

by Simon in

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very sad.

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whether you like or dislike him as a politician you have to admit that he did look genuinely overjoyed and 'proud as punch' at the birth of his little girl unlike some who appeared to see such events as a photo opportunity.. sadly, she was quite premature and i've just heard on the news that she has died.

Scully

It's quite amazing how far we've come in a relatively short timespan in treating premature babies. The smallest one I've worked with had a birthweight of about 500 grams (a little more than 1 lb).

The most premature baby to have survived on record was born at the hospital where I work. He was born at 20 weeks gestation, about half the normal length of pregnancy. He's now a robust 14 year old.

I'm sad that this baby didn't have the same happy outcome. It's always such a tragedy to see parents go through everyone's worst nightmare. My heart goes out to them.

Love, Scully

It is not persecution for an informed person to expose a certain religion as being false. - WT 11/15/63

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JW/WT Idolatry Test

by Lee Elder in

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here is a simple test for idolatry.

tell a jw, particularly an elder, that you don't know if you believe in god anymore.

a typical reaction would be for them to try an encourage you.

Scully

AlanF writes:

This is much like a couple of kids arguing with one another. One says, "Your mother is a whore!" If the other kid's mother is not a whore, he'll probably get a little irritated, but realize that the other kid is a dork. But if he knows that his mother really is a whore and tries to pretend different, his reaction to the charge will almost certainly be extreme anger.

Interesting that you mention this analogy, Alan. Considering the recent exposure of the WTS-UN alliance, it's pretty clear whose "Mom" is a "whore"....

Love, Scully

It is not persecution for an informed person to expose a certain religion as being false. - WT 11/15/63

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What does it change really.....

by flower in

i'm still me whether the org is a fraud or not.

its too late now to make myself into a different person.

a person is a result of their environment and the way they were brought up.

Scully

Dear Flower:

I've been reading some of your posts recently, and I just wanted to let you know that I completely understand how you're feeling.

The JWs convinced us both that we were not "good enough" for anything, no matter how hard we tried. We could never go door to door enough. We could never be regular enough at the meetings. We could never do enough studying.

I know you've been reading Ray Franz's book, I'm not sure which one it is, and I see you're as angry at the WTS as I have been regarding their lies and deceptions and hypocrisy. One day, when I was beating myself up over not being 'good enough' for Jehovah, something wonderful occurred to me. It was this: What I Have Learned About the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society Proves Beyond Any Shadow of a Doubt This Organization is NOT GOOD ENOUGH for Jehovah. That was an extremely comforting thought, because it meant that the playing field was level, and that maybe there was hope for me after all.

Then, I came across a wonderfully comforting book. The title is "Tired of Trying to Measure Up" by Jeff VanVonderen. The words came off the page as though they were a letter written to me, by someone who knew exactly what I was going through. I couldn't put the book down, and I ended up reading it several times; each time I felt more and more comforted, more and more like the weight of the universe had been lifted from me. Since then, I've read more books by the same author - who happens to be a pastor with expertise in helping people who have been abused spiritually by churches and organizations like JWs which are shame-based, rather than grace-based. Every single one of his books has been so helpful in breaking the WTS's hold on my thoughts and feelings about me and my relationship with a Higher Power. If there's any way you can locate a copy of this book in your library, I really think it would help you feel better to read it.

I'm putting the amazon.com URL that came up when I did a search for the book, so you can get a brief idea of what it's like. Take a minute to look at the sample pages that have been scanned.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1556610300/qid%3D1010461762/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F0%5F1/107-9737424-8035753

I highly recommend this book to you.

Any time you need a friend to talk to, my e-mail is open for you.

Love, Scully

It is not persecution for an informed person to expose a certain religion as being false. - WT 11/15/63

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can you infiltrate it?

by oscartheduck in

http://greatcrowd.net/index.html .

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the watchtower, april 15, 1928, p. 126 "as every one knows, there are mistakes in the bible "

Scully

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Question: Do they REALLY check names and congregations?? If they do, how do they do it? Isn't that personal information supposed to be confidential?? Or are they retaining this info in case you say something you shouldn't have said, so that they can report you to your local body of elders??

Just curious.
Love, Scully
of the Considering Lurking Class

It is not persecution for an informed person to expose a certain religion as being false. - WT 11/15/63