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  Our daughter was free to make her own choice.

  by StephaneLaliberte in

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  when eloise dupuis gave birth to her son in 2016, there were complications where a blood transfusion would have saved her live.

  however, she refused and died; to the horror of the medical staff and the entire province of quebec.. two years later, there was a change in politics and the topic came back up in the media.

  the parents of eloise dupuis, obviously exhausted by the media coverage, wrote a comment to a well known news paper in quebec.

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  With the Blood Issue, in a hospital life-and-death situation, keep in mind that the HLC arranges to maintain a constant JW presence at the bedside of the person deemed in need of blood transfusion.

  Had Elöise agreed to a transfusion that could have saved her life, the JWs at her bedside would have initiated the judicial proceedings without delay. How terrifying it must have been for her, knowing she would certainly die without transfusions, with people actively discouraging her from doing the one thing that could have prevented her death, praying for her to maintain her integrity, watching her weep for the fact that she would be leaving her child motherless and holding her newborn son for the time that remained for her.

  The fact that the WT needs “enforcers” to hold vigil at a person’s bedside to make sure they don’t take a transfusion, tells me that without these “enforcers” JWs would, more often than not, accept transfusions to save their life. That’s the reason why it is a coercive tactic.
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  Our daughter was free to make her own choice.

  by StephaneLaliberte in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  when eloise dupuis gave birth to her son in 2016, there were complications where a blood transfusion would have saved her live.

  however, she refused and died; to the horror of the medical staff and the entire province of quebec.. two years later, there was a change in politics and the topic came back up in the media.

  the parents of eloise dupuis, obviously exhausted by the media coverage, wrote a comment to a well known news paper in quebec.

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  A choice made by someone who has a gun pointed in their face isn't a free choice, nor is it necessarily the choice that is in the best interests of the individual.

  With the WT, the Choice™ being made is, first of all, based on an incorrect premise. Obedience to God's Law on Blood™ is based on someone's interpretation of a biblical text allegedly uttered over 2000 years ago, which interpretation is also based on that someone's claim (a statement without proof to back up its authenticity) that they are guided by Holy Spirit™ to have an accurate understanding of God's™ intentions.

  The other issue regarding this Choice™, is that there is a consequence for the individual should their "free choice" be the wrong one in the eyes of the WT. There was a time when WT published the Suggestion™ that Disfellowshipped™ people should be regarded as "dead to us". This threat is Inculcated™ into JWs from infancy if they are "born in" as Eloise was, and being part of an insular group like the JWs, the flow of contradictory information is severely hindered. The WT and likewise her JW family were the gatekeepers, preventing alternate points of view from entering her thought process and training her to reject those alternate points of view.

  We've all heard (or maybe even said ourselves) "I'd rather die than [insert unpleasant or repugnant something]." For JWs, that phrase becomes "I'd rather die than be DFd and treated like I'm dead / be killed by Jehovah at Armageddon™ / lose all my friends and family / feel ashamed for being Unfaithful™; at least if I die, I will be Resurrected™." That's the gun, with a carrot attached. She had the choice to pull the trigger herself, or everyone around her would have pulled it for her. What kind of a choice is that? The carrot of the belief in a future Resurrection™ is more powerful to JWs than the carrot of being able to live to see your newborn child grow up. That's actually pretty fucked up.
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  What does the Watchtower say about using CBD Oil?

  by Iamallcool in

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  just wondering.

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  There is the option (at least in Canada) to have medical marijuana in pill form. It’s prescribed under the brand name Nabilone.

  It doesn’t contain THC, the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana, but does contain cannabinoids.

  So there, you lose, WT. It’s legal in Canada. It doesn’t need to be smoked. It doesn’t make people high. And it’s a life saver for people suffering with chronic pain. If only it helped people to walk away from your petty little cult.
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  A question for you women; what was it really like for you being in the Org?

  by Tallon in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hi there folks.. i took a bit of time out from the forum, however i'm back again.. what was it really like for you, your experiences good or bad, etc, in the org?.

  if you were granted a listening ear by the gb, what changes would you like to see implemented?.

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  "they covered their heads with Kleenexes and shoes"

  Considering women's place in the Organization™, having a shoe on one's head seems strangely appropriate.

  Personally, I balked at the thought of being Submissive™ to men; I hated it. But then wanting to fit in and not knowing there were other options available to me, I caved in, Humbled™ myself, and toed the line. It did a number on my mental health and I was severely depressed as a young wife and mother, and contemplated suicide more than once. I felt invisible, insignificant and merely a means to support my husband's success within the Congregation™, and someone to entertain Elders™, Ministerial Servants™ and their families while Mr. Scully schmoozed with them over dinners and desserts that I made. I felt like my talents and intellect were completely wasted.

  Once it became evident that the Congregation™ only cared about what they could use us for, at a time when we really could have used their encouragement and support, I didn't care anymore about following their rules. I realized that should we fall into hard times, we needed an additional income to look after our family. I went back to school and became an RN, and somehow in that training, learned how to use my spine without being shamed or apologizing for it. I also learned that JW gender roles and gender biases and sexual obsessions were not the norm in the current cultural landscape, and it was all right.

  It's been almost 25 years since I made that decision, and I have absolutely no regrets about it. I don't know how I actually did it, possibly being so disgusted at the way we were treated and wanting to NEVER need to ask for the JWs' help again were factors that fueled my will to succeed.
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  In search of custody hearing advice ...

  by dubstepped in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i don't have kids, but i recently found that someone with kids that lives in my town is also an ex-jw.

  she just happened to post on an apostafest thread on facebook for an event that i attended, saw that we lived in the same place, and i met her for the first time tonight.

  pretty cool.. she has a 14 year old boy that is super smart and very articulate.

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  The kid is 14. He's articulate. He should be able to testify on his own behalf.

  First of all, he can say how the religious environment of the JWs tries to pit him against his mother in favour of the JWs/his father. That, in legal terminology, is called "alienation of affection". It's like a kid being around a father who refers to the child's mother as being a 'slut' or a 'whore', in an attempt to coerce the child to distance himself from the mother.

  Secondly, he can explain how the religion impedes his ability to have friends Outside the Truth™. The old School brochure, the one we had to bring in on the first day of class every year, to explain to the teachers and headmaster why we couldn't do all the fun stuff that other students got to do - celebrating birthdays, Christmas, Hallowe'en, participating in debate club, sports or other extracurricular activities, does a really good job of that. I seem to recall how some of the Caleb and Sophia videos show how kids are expected to Make Disciples™ of their classmates rather than establish true friendships, as well as how it's okay to tell a "friend" that their same sex parents are living a sinful life that Jehovah hates.

  Third, there's that 1994(?) Awake magazine with the cover that has all those pictures of now-dead JW kids who died because they were brainwashed into refusing blood transfusions.

  Let the Watchtower's own literature be used against them. Let the kid say that he doesn't like being told he's going to die if he doesn't follow the religion. Let him say that he just wants to be a normal kid, and to be able to make up his own mind when he's a grown up. Let him say that Jesus didn't get baptized until he was 30, why do they want him to do it now, when he's not even old enough to drive a car, or open a bank account, or enter into a contract?
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  Judge Rules on Blood Issue

  by moreconfusedthanever in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/judge-rules-against-pregnant-teen-who-wanted-to-refuse-blood-at-birth-20180831-p5012k.html.

  this article has come up in my newsfeed on facebook today.

  it was posted by a non witness midwife who is up in arms about the girl not being able to choose her own course of treatment in pregnancy.

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  She didn’t actually answer your question. She dodged it like a professional though.

  The question was about how she would feel if one of your kids died for lack of a blood transfusion, and shortly afterward Watchtower changed its position and allowed transfusions?
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  The difference between Jesus version of forgiveness to that of watchtowers version of forgiveness

  by UnshackleTheChains in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jesus version of forgiveness.

  https://youtu.be/6snr5zjfngg.

  jehovah's witness version of forgiveness.

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  Scully

  The Prodigal Son just went back to his father's house, and he was forgiven and his return was celebrated.

  Watchtower won't let you just go back. They have to be sure that you've been abused into submission to their rules, and won't say or do anything that makes Watchtower look bad, even if what you're saying is true.
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  Judge Rules on Blood Issue

  by moreconfusedthanever in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/judge-rules-against-pregnant-teen-who-wanted-to-refuse-blood-at-birth-20180831-p5012k.html.

  this article has come up in my newsfeed on facebook today.

  it was posted by a non witness midwife who is up in arms about the girl not being able to choose her own course of treatment in pregnancy.

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  Solzhenitsyn: I wrote an essay several years ago that touched on your wife's answers. I called it the "doctrine du jour".

  JWs & the Concept of Conscientious Objection

  JWs have refined their point of view regarding blood transfusions over the past two and a half decades. Currently, JWs are permitted to accept practically any fractionated blood product, including immune globulins, clotting factors, albumin, and even products like Hemopure which is a hemoglobin extract derived from bovine erythrocytes. The decision is dependent on the individual JW's conscience. They cannot, however, accept infusions of packed red cell concentrate, plasma, or platelets without judicial action being taken against them by their church leaders. Consider also that up until 1980, Jehovah's Witnesses were forbidden to accept tissue and organ transplants, and then suddenly the issue became a "matter of conscience" for individual JWs.

  
  

  The dilemma, it appears, is that while conscientious decisions by definition are firmly held convictions based on an individual's thought processes interacting with their belief system, Jehovah's Witnesses' "conscientious decisions" are the result of whatever happens to be the 'doctrine du jour' as published in the Watchtower Society's literature, meaning that someone who steadfastly refused to accept blood fractions or organ transplants one day because "Jehovah's Witnesses do not accept" them, will read "new light" in an up-to-date issue of the Watchtower and suddenly realize that they no longer need to refuse these treatments, because they will no longer be punished by their church for accepting them. So the question becomes, Are these "conscientious decisions" really the result of firmly held convictions? If they can so easily be cast aside, upon the reading of a sentence or two in a periodical, without any other thought process in the matter, it would appear that the concept of "firm convictions" and "deeply held beliefs" is over-ruled by convenience and the removal of any negative spiritual or social result for the person claiming the decision.
  
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  Australia Yahoo news

  by gabcol in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i just found this on yahoo news australia : .

  a jehovah’s witness girl may be forced to receive a blood transfusion against her will this weekend when she gives birth in melbourne.. mercy hospital victoria was granted supreme court authority on friday to give the girl blood as a “last resort” if she suffers a postpartum haemorrhage when induced into labour on sunday afternoon.

  the 17-year-old first-time mother is considered to be at increased risk of haemorrhaging because she is of “small stature” and the baby is large, meaning she may have a long labour, an assisted birth or an emergency caesarean.. jehovah’s witnesses forbid followers from receiving blood transfusions or blood products.. the risk to the baby from the mother refusing blood is considered low.. view photos.

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  Why not just do a C-section, if she's that tiny and the baby is that big. Why put her through more physical suffering when she's already going through horrendous psychological torture?
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  Nature is amazing :)

  by LoveUniHateExams in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i studied biology at uni and specialised in animal biology (wolf behaviour) but i've always liked natural history.. even if i never went to uni, i'd still be amazed by nature and i'd still watch nature programs on tv.. i'd like start a thread where posters can post nature clips that are in some way amazing.. the vid below shows wild wolves in the canadian arctic encountering humans for the first time.. these wolves haven't been exterminated by human hunters and therefore haven't learnt to fear humans.

  result: wild wolves approach human strangers almost like dogs.

  pretty cool.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izgavk7fovu .

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  LOL @ typical dog behaviour of poo sniffing, up close and personal.