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  Christmas music

  by Are you serious in

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  today i made a classic christmas music station on pandora.

  it's great being able to listen to this type of music at this time of the year without my conscience bothering me or in fear of being killed over it😁.

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  jwundubbed

  One of my favorites... there is more to the song than the video shows... but good enough!

  Bob and Doug sing the 12 Days of Christmas

  Bob and Doug sing the 12 Days of Christmas
  
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  Jehovahs Witnesses – Does the Sect’s name really mean for what it is ?

  by EverApostate in

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  the term jehovah’s witnesses sounded weird to me even when i was in that cult.

  why does god need witnesses to prove his existence?

  there is no need for anyone to create a movement called “suns witnesses” or “moons witnesses” – in order to prove its existence and glorify it, because the sun and moon are evident to every species on earth.

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  jwundubbed

  Try thinking of witnesses, not as people who see the truth of a situation and stand ready to give verbal evidence of that truth (much like the 'witnesses' that the Cullens brought to them in the last book of the Twilight series ) but more like people who stand by the most powerful evil authority and watch while they 'save the righteous few' and 'slaughter the wicked many' (like the vampires the Vulturi brought with them to act as witnesses in the same book).
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  Stop harassing jws

  by pomo6780 in

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  we want people to learn ttatt.

  we have numerous resources online to draw jws in so that they will wake up.

  however, i've noted some radical methods that have been used by fellow exjws, and quite frankly, this must stop.

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  Confrontation. This may be you approaching a jw at a cart or while they are going in and out of their meeting places or conventions. While some will say this increases their persecution complex, I will say that in addition, it does have a damaging effect upon the mind. It's not normal for a total stranger to confront a person for their religious beliefs and use emotional tactics to win them over. A strange man speaking to a woman in the street could frighten her view of strangers. It has happened. Would we do that for jws? They don't deserve it, wouldn't we much rather want them on our side, unhurt by us?

  Actually, it is completely normal for a stranger to walk up to someone selling BS and confront them on selling the BS. The person at the cart isn't an innocent bystander. They are trying to get people to buy what they are selling. They are selling hatred, among all the other bad ideas. I see no reason not to confront the cart people. But actually, I have found it much safer for everyone involved to simply complain to whatever entity the JWs are using to sit with their carts. If it is the bus station, then I call the transit company. I inform and educate those people who then disallow the JWs to sit there with their carts.

  Emotional manipulation. If your wife or husband is still a jw, and you have kids who go to meetings. You don't want them to go. Fair enough. But how are you to know how they'll feel about it later in life? What if they as adults accuse you of manipulating them to be atheists, causing them to miss out on "freedom of worship"?

  Good parents don't refuse to protect their children because of what their kids will think of them. They protect their children and make the best choices they can for them while they are kids knowing their children will rarely thank them for it. Any parent who makes a poor choice for their child because they want to look better in their child's eyes doesn't deserve to be a parent.

  Why tell them they should not get baptised at 13, 14, 15.. when they only find out later you planned ahead so that when they reached adulthood they would be discouraged and pressured into listening to your advice?

  Parents don't tell their children not to get baptized that young so that they can control them through manipulation. They tell their children that because they are CHILDREN. The organization is asking them to sign a contract when they don't even have a basic understanding of how contracts work, nor do they understand what the contract means in JW terms. They are well below the age of consent and their brains are still in development. They don't have the processing skills to make the right choices for themselves and don't have enough information to make an informed choice. If they wait, they can make a fully informed choice.

  But I stand in my opinion that you either are a witness and automatically make a disciple out of your kid, or you become exjw and make sure your kid is an anti-witness. Same as the cult procedure, you're using their lives to become your personal vision for them.

  I don't know where to start with this rubbish.

  1.) God told his people to procreate and fill the earth so that they could dominate it. He did not tell his people to have children for the sole purpose of creating mindless gits. If you are a good disciple, you don't want to turn your children into disciples. You want to teach them to love God and do as he wishes from their own choice. Look at all the examples we were given of how important it is to choose God.

  2.) My father had four children. He started questioning when we were children. He never told us his reservations. He made us go to all the meetings, he made us research our own questions, and he gave us more than one side to any idea. Instead of trying to make us into something, he taught us to be our own persons. That is what a good parent should do. His youngest daughter is still a JW. She made her own choice. Three of his other children are exJWs, but it wasn't because of him. It was because of the JW cult.

  Instead of going into a meeting and disrupting its process by talking or shouting about child abuse, why not hand jws printed information in sealed envelopes?

  Because it isn't the responsibility of victims to make the perpetrators comfortable. Because when you have been abused and harmed you lash out. That is how people react. Because abuses shouldn't be hidden in sealed envelopes, they should be shouted out until everyone knows about them.
  
  

  That could be the most discreet and effective way to fool naive minds.

  You know, the current social backlash against sexual harassment and sexual assault by people in power is the direct result of the victims being discreet. Being discreet is not effective against powerful people. And we don't want to fool naive minds. We want to educate people and help them to make informed choices. Fooling people is just a way to manipulate people. It is much better to be open and transparent.

  Let them die out by your not giving them attention.

  JWs don't want our attention. Ignoring bullies only works when the bullies want attention. The JWs don't want outside attention. That is why you have to be loud. Publishing stories about them only educates the public. People on this inside just assume it is apostate and persecution.

  I don't advocate assaulting people. But I have no problem with people who are broadcasting the problems with the JWs in whatever way they feel necessary. I wouldn't advize those people to break the law, but the law hasn't been on the victims side for a long time.
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  If mathematics teacher made a mistake, would it mean mathematics itself is wrong!

  by venus in

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  many people point to the irrationality in the depiction of god by the religions and their scriptures, hence jump into the bottomless pit of atheism.

  in either camp, god is not a factor because religion is only a means that misrepresents god, hence religionists themselves are atheists (literally, those who live without god).

  it is like saying there exists no earth because you found out your friend who taught earth is flat is wrong; or it is like saying mathematics itself is wrong because you found out your mathematics teacher made a mistake.

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  I am prefacing my comment with the fact that I am not an atheist. I believe in God. I also believe that God doesn't exist and you can't prove me wrong on either account because you have no proof either way. Personally, I believe what I believe and you can disagree with me, you can dislike my beliefs, but you can't change them and you can't prove me wrong. It's belief, not fact.

  The premise is that the people teaching 'God' are wrong but God still exists. And you are absolutely right, in a sense. When we believe in things we make them real. We have a concept of something which cannot be proven and people believe the concept. Thus, yes. God is real.

  As are Santa, dragons, magic, and many other things that a mass of people believe in, but for which there is no physical proof. They also exist because people believe in them. There is no point in trying to convince people who don't believe in them that they do exist. There is no proof and people who believe don't need proof.

  I think a better question is why are you trying to convince people that you are right and they are wrong? Who cares that much what other people think about something that has zero impact on our lives. It is a supremely moot argument. Believe, don't believe. Noodles, no noodles. It's all the same in the grands scheme of things.
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  Can JW's celebrate Hannukah?

  by Splash in

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  what's the official teaching on celebrating this jewish festival?.

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  @Carla

  That is why they don't celebrate Thanksgiving."- yeah right. I think most jw's do in fact do Thanksgiving even if they sit around a table with a turkey, mashed potatoes, stuffing & cranberry sauce telling each other that it is not Thanksgiving, it is. Doesn't matter if they it do it on Fri, Sat or Sun instead of Thurs to the rest of the sane world they ARE celebrating Thanksgiving. They just had to get everybody together on a different day like the rest of us do at times.

  I can't speak for witnesses today but when I was in, No they didn't. We went to movies. My friends usually went to concerts or did things they didn't normally have time for on a Thursday. Most witnesses that I knew would work that day and get the extra holiday pay. I never knew any JWs who ate turkey, or any of the other Thanksgiving dinner dishes, at any point during Thanksgiving weekend.

  
  
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  Can JW's celebrate Hannukah?

  by Splash in

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  what's the official teaching on celebrating this jewish festival?.

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  jwundubbed

  The Jewish people, like Jehovah's Witnesses, are not Christians (followers of Christ). Jewish people are also not God's chosen, as Jehovah's Witnesses alone have that privilege. Jewish people are still waiting for the messiah, obviously Jehovah chose not to send them that memo. Jehovah's Witnesses rightfully understand that Christ came and went and is only important in his death. Jehovah is the deity that matters and is ALL that matters. Of course you can't celebrate Hannuka!.

  Even if it weren't about Jesus or religion, Jehovah's Witnesses have to be different. That is why they don't celebrate Thanksgiving. They have to set themselves apart from the very evil nice people of the world. Give thanks indeed!
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  Does anyone like Steampunk?

  by days of future passed in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  i love people's being creative with this genre.

  i stumbled on this video which is a lot of fun.

  past the end credits is out takes and how it was made.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=211lnk5vnjm.

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  If you like tabletop RPGs, check out Airship Pirates.

  If you like comics, check out Girl Genius.

  And yes. I like steampunk.

  Also... check out what could be considered a steampunk instrument?

  a steampunk instrument?
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  Bringing reproach on Jehovah's name.

  by ScottyRex in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have thought long and hard about this, you know in those midnight hours.. you will probably string me alive in what i say, but here you go-.

  i feel that the jw's do have the truth.

  i do agree with the doctrines and biblical exgenesis they propound.i do feel that they have the 'truth' i do understand they are imperfect, and i think they have had to 'refine' their teachings as time has gone on-and change accordingly- i see nothing wrong with this.

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  If bringing reproach on Jehovah's name is such a bad thing... then why have the Jehovah's Witnesses made his name a joke?

  For the amount of 'witnessing' they do, no one knows what 'Jehovah' means. Think about all the jokes about Jehovah's Witnesses. Most of them are inaccurate at best, but the mainstream comprehension is that Jehovah's Witnesses are a joke. They are those people who bother you by knocking on your door and making you listen to... whatever they make you listen to. They are weird. And then, people hear about the abuse.

  I don't think the powers that be care about 'bringing reproach on Jehovah's name'. I think they just use that as a tool to control their members.
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  Kleenex Head Covering

  by jwundubbed in

  1. jw
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  growing up a woman in the cult was pretty bleak.

  most of the adult women i knew were either depressed sad women or an embarrassment to me.

  i was typical kid in that regard.

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  JW land women wear the pants ,they just let men think they do - smiddy3

  I had to think about this for a while before replying. The reason is that I did see a lot of women who wore the pants in their own families. A few of these women actually did have some amount of power, and they were usually Elders' wives. Most of the women I knew who had some amount of lead in their personal lives were either abusive themselves or said nothing when people under them were abused (usually by their own husbands). Having gotten out of the cult and having learned a whole lot more about cycles of abuse and what abuse does and does not look like, I don't think that I can say that very many of those women actually wore the pants in their families. I think most of them appeared to take the lead while living very abused lives.

  I think that most of what I think or have thought I understood about JW interpersonal relationships is or was skewed and wasn't at all what I had thought it was at the time.
  
  
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  Kleenex Head Covering

  by jwundubbed in

  1. jw
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  growing up a woman in the cult was pretty bleak.

  most of the adult women i knew were either depressed sad women or an embarrassment to me.

  i was typical kid in that regard.

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  jwundubbed

  Yeah, I've seen diapers used as head coverings too. No, never the dirty ones. Surely there is a kleenex (new or used) if there is a diaper bag.