Posts by Funky

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wt organizationthimk (last week's study)

by waton in

for those who want to see how bad it really is, 2 thoughts: .

1) the article says "jehovah" gave gifts in men, but the bible in gal: 6 clearly mentions the one who ascended into heaven as the one, jesus, their reigning king, that does provides these " the captives.. of course when wt writers say jehovah they really mean the wt society.

and local elders, ms, really are wt appointees, now done by the co, a man with no assets.

Funky

Incidentally, this is one (of a few thousand) of my peeves with the NWT.

How on earth can you translate Ephesians 4:8 as "gifts in men"?

The Greek says "to", virtually all other translations say "to", the context implies "to"....

It doesn't even make sense in English, grammatically. If I hand out gifts to all my employees, and the gifts are all boxes of candy, I don't say "for your bonus, I'm giving you gifts in candy". That just sounds goofy and bizarre, what, there's a hidden prize inside when I bite down on my Snickers bar? I would say "I'm giving you gifts of candy".

I guess maybe it might make sense if you assume there is an implied "in the form of" as in "he gave gifts in the form of men" but while I'm no Greek scholar, there seems to be an absolutely zero chance of an implied "in the form of" there where you simply read "to".

Example number 3,856 of the WTS coming up with some bizarro doctrine, then cherry-picking a barely conceivable/grammatically allowable translation of the Greek text to support that weird doctrine and make it somehow "Biblical".

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8 Year Old Can Decide If They Are Transgendered

by minimus in

so says joe biden.. anybody agree with this?

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Funky

as doc says, this shit will be over soon

That's just the problem - it won't be over soon.

It doesn't end with the election, nor with the transfer of power, nor with the reversal of the majority in the Senate. About 65 million people will have voted for the loser, thinking that things have been wonderful for the past 4 years. And for a certain subset of the population, things have been "better" in a sense that is important to them. They've been given permission to hate again. They are, at least for now, no longer pariahs for expressing their bitter dark feelings toward the "other".

They're not going to change their minds overnight. It extends far beyond any one man in any one political party in any one office.

Things will get better. Responsible adults will soon be back in charge of the government. But the attitudes manifest by many in the nation (and reflected by some on this website) won't change as a result of that. Society can learn and improve, and I think eventually it will, but it's a long, slow (as in decades) process.

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Hunter Biden—Will He Affect The Election?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i think he’s done incredible damage to biden.

he must be in hiding in his dad’s basement too.

i think this is the october surprise people have been wondering about.

Funky

Ok, have you ever thought that pollsters conduct polls only in certain areas?

Sure, in swing states like Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, states where Trump won in 2016 but is trailing badly now.

And in states that used to be blue, where Trump won easily in 2016 but trails or is within the margin of error such as Texas, Iowa, and Georgia.

And in pretty much all 50 states.

I guess since Puerto Rico and Guam aren't being polled, you could safely call it "only certain areas".

polling companies ask certain people certain questions?

Hmm, yes, like "Are you likely to vote in 2020" and "who will you vote for". You're right, those are awfully vague and open to interpretation.

you know that your two points aren't actually mutually exclusive, right?

Actually, I do. I just find it funny that on Monday certain people will breathlessly proclaim "oh you can't trust polls, I talked to 20 people at the bar last Saturday and they all said they give false answers to pollsters"...

..and then on Wednesday the same people say "I saw 20 Trump signs in my neighborhood and only 2 Biden signs, therefore my state will be a landslide for Trump."

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What happened to the 2020 Annual Meeting? Was it suspended?

by Misterme in

jw
friends

anyone know?

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Funky

Yeah, not to mention the very last words of that verse (RNWT): "But you were unwilling".

The WTS are absolute masters at quoting out-of-context snippets of fragments of interrupted thoughts from partial verses to make a point that the original writers would never in a thousand years have thought of.

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Hunter Biden—Will He Affect The Election?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i think he’s done incredible damage to biden.

he must be in hiding in his dad’s basement too.

i think this is the october surprise people have been wondering about.

Funky

I'm still confused about this....

The polls are wrong because Trump voters are "afraid" to say they will vote for Trump when contacted anonymously over the phone by polling firms, even Republican-sponsored ones like Rasmussen....

But Trump voters are also so eager to tell everyone who they are voting for by putting Trump signs in their front yards, where every "antifa hooligan" passing by their house will see it and know exactly where to loot and pillage later?

Do I have that right?

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Prime Minister of Australia announces intention to revoke Jehovah’s Witnesses charity status

by jwleaks in

today, marking the second anniversary of the australian national apology to victims and survivors of institutional child sexual abuse, the prime minister of australia has announce in federal parliament the intention to place sanctions against the jehovah’s witnesses in relation to child sexual abuse.. quote from prime minister:.

the royal commission [into institutional response to child sexual abuse], the [national] apology [to victims and survivors of institutional child sexual abuse] and these yearly reports are about accountability: bringing the truth into the light ... we still have, reprehensibly, four institutions that have been named publicly and that have blatantly refused to join the redress scheme.

they are jehovah's witnesses ... it's not acceptable.

Funky

This announcement is drastically going to adversely affect the Australian JWs letter writing campaign to all politicians and public servants in Australia this November.

Ha! I forgot all about that.

Yeah, that makes it a bit of a harder sell.

"Dear Prime Minister, Since you have seen fit to revoke our charitable status, please be notified that Jesus H. Christ is going to be coming Very Soon Now, and he has a flaming 800 pound hailstone with your name on it. Have a nice day! Sincerely, WTS of Australia."

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Prime Minister of Australia announces intention to revoke Jehovah’s Witnesses charity status

by jwleaks in

today, marking the second anniversary of the australian national apology to victims and survivors of institutional child sexual abuse, the prime minister of australia has announce in federal parliament the intention to place sanctions against the jehovah’s witnesses in relation to child sexual abuse.. quote from prime minister:.

the royal commission [into institutional response to child sexual abuse], the [national] apology [to victims and survivors of institutional child sexual abuse] and these yearly reports are about accountability: bringing the truth into the light ... we still have, reprehensibly, four institutions that have been named publicly and that have blatantly refused to join the redress scheme.

they are jehovah's witnesses ... it's not acceptable.

Funky

Wow! That's hitting them where it really hurts - in the pocketbook.

Wonder how the WTS will respond?

For anything else, there would be trumpeting calls for action on JW.Borg - write letters to the Australian government! Special tract campaign! Satanic persecution!

But if they advertise this on their website, it would be really hard to do without mentioning, why, exactly, it's happening. And "we are losing our tax exemption because we hid child molesters" won't exactly play well, even for die-hard JWs.

And if they do mention it, but don't express the reason why, I would think that would only steel the resolve of the government to carry out its plan.

WTS is screwed - cornered, with no easy way out.

Oh, I guess I could mention, there is an extraordinarily easy way out - change its child abuse policies to something approaching "worldly" (higher) standards. But of course that's not really an option for them, is it? They'd have to admit they had been wrong, which seems like it would open the door for massive lawsuits.

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"Great Crowd" important detail glossed over

by neat blue dog in

the latest study wt gives another glowing report from rutherford's time:.

in his talk, brother rutherford identified those whowould make up the “great multitude” (king james ver-sion), or “great crowd,” mentioned at revelation 7:9. un-til then, this group was thought to be a secondary heav-enly class that was less faithful.

brother rutherford usedthe scriptures to explain that the great crowd are notchosen to live in heaven, but they are christ’s othersheep who will survive “the great tribulation”.

Funky

Just ahead! Soon! Very soon now!

If you ask your mom when dinner is, and she says "Just ahead! Soon! Very soon now!"

....and 140 years later you still haven't eaten....

...maybe it's time to consider that maybe, just MAYBE, dinner won't be ready "soon".

Just sayin'.

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What happened to the 2020 Annual Meeting? Was it suspended?

by Misterme in

jw
friends

anyone know?

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Funky

It must have been, there a new video on JW Borgcast with Herd introducing the 2021 year text.

Typically the talk introducing the following year's year text is the centerpiece of the October meeting. The fact that is a pre-recorded studio talk in front of no one but the Borgcast crew indicates that the whole October program was scrapped.

I expect that, as a previous poster commented, they will record the rest of the talks that would have been presented and then broadcast them.

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Idolatry and usage of JW.ORG logo

by KSFernando in

can anyone give difference between cross and pendant with jw.org logo?.

further this logo has become the main identification of a kingdom hall.. can someone give bible reasoning behind this?

against or favour..

Funky

I once made the "using the logo so prominently is virtually equivalent to idolatry" argument with a hyper-super-uber JW - you know the type, the one who actually tries to speak and act like they do on those "realistic" modern-day JW dramas.

His reaction was just to blink a couple of times, frozen in place, then walk away.

It's rare to see an actual physical manifestation of cognitive dissonance. Kind of like a "close encounter of the third kind". But I definitely saw it.

Why am I suddenly hungry for mashed potatoes?