Where did JonnyC go?
Nice explanation, Ip Sec and others.
This was a huge change. It hit me just like it hit Bluesbreaker - I had been an elder, but I was on my way out after that Nov. '95 WT. That change in the purpose in the front of the Awake! I considered unethical and worse. When you change "the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure new world before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passes away" to "the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure new world that is about to replace the present wicked, lawless system of things" you are speaking in Jehovah's name something that did not come true. That's the EXACT Biblical definition of a false prophet.
I don't know how much more you can break it down for jonny.
Prior to Nov. '95, that generation was someone born before 1914 who would have seen all those events of the sign.
After 1995, the generation was ANYONE who saw the sign and ignored it. That could be someone born in 1900, sure, but it also was now wide open for that generation of sign-ignorers to include people born in 1950, 2000, 2020 or 2070 - they simply all had to share that same bad attitude about the sign of the kingdom.
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1914 & Generation What change?
by johnnyc ini have read through many posts on this website that refer to the fact wtbts changed their viewpoint on generation and its relevance to 1914. there was just an article out in the wt (last six months) that reiterated the fact this viewpoint did not change, and that the wtbts still expects the generation who were around in 1914 to physically see the conclusion of this system and the visible second coming of jesus here on earth.
the wtbts did state they consider anyone being born in 1914 would be applicable, which is a change from earlier discussions, but they have not (from what i have seen) said that generation could pass away altogether.
sincerely i ask: if anyone has that information i would love to see it.
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huge announcement after the Watchtower study on the 27 of April?
by Dogpatch inthere will be a huge announcement after the watchtower study on the 27 of april.. for what it's worth, this was just sent to me anonymously.. randy.
www.freeminds.org.
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Yeah. Most "huge" announcements turn out to be letting everyone know that there's gong to be another Special Tract work, just like all the previous 40 Special Tracts! Maybe this year it's going to be special instructions on EXACTLY where the brothers and sisters are to pin their District Convention badges so that when they wear them out after the sessions everyone will see the wonderful JW unity and form lines to join up!!
The WTS is the the worst group I've ever seen for building up expectations for what turns out to be really nothing at all.
There must be an elder out there who knows if this is happening and what it is.
"Fess up!
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"I'm a false prophet...God is a superstition." Loved There Will Be Blood!!
by Seeker4 inwatched there will be blood last night.
amazing film, and daniel day lewis is simply astounding.
quite a study of greed, religious hypocrisy and hatred.
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Watched There Will Be Blood last night. Amazing film, and Daniel Day Lewis is simply astounding. Quite a study of greed, religious hypocrisy and hatred.
There are hundreds of memorable lines, but one of my favorite exchanges is below. Daniel Plainview getting the the preacher to denounce himself and God in exchange for $100,000:
Eli Sunday: Daniel, I'm asking if you'd like to have business with the Church of the Third Revelation in developing this lease on young Bandy's thousand acre tract. I'm offering you to drill on one of the great undeveloped fields of Little Boston!
Plainview: I'd be happy to work with you.
Eli Sunday: You would? Yes, yes, of course. Wonderful.
Plainview: But there is one condition for this work.
Eli Sunday: Alright.
Plainview: I'd like you to tell me that you are a false prophet... I'd like you to tell me that you are, and have been, a false prophet... and that God is a superstition.
Eli Sunday: ...but that's a lie... it's a lie, I cannot say it.
[long pause]
Eli Sunday: When can we begin to drill?
Plainview: Right away.
Eli Sunday: How long will it take to bring in the well?
Plainview: Should be very quick.
Eli Sunday: I would like a one hundred thousand dollar signing bonus plus the five that is owed with interest.
Plainview: That's only fair.
Eli Sunday: I am a false prophet and God is a superstition. If that's what you believe, then I will say it.
Plainview: Say it like you mean it.
Eli Sunday: Daniel...
Plainview: Say it like it's your sermon.
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I ATTENDED A JW FUNERAL YESTERDAY---WOW!
by Terry inback in 1959 i became best friends with a fellow who was instrumental in my becoming a jehovah's witness.
yesterday i attended his mother's funeral.. from the time i was 12 years old i became a part of johnny's family and got to know his mother, jennie, very well.
in fact, she was more instrumental in convincing me there was intellectual merit to the reasoning process of consulting the bible and drawing jw conclusions than any of the arguments johnny and i had.. fast forward a bit.
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Great post, Terry. Thanks.
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I dont know what to do
by Ex-smoker inok so i was raised in the truth and a lot of jw belifes are indoctrinated in me(big suprize) the main ones being that the dead are conscies of nothing and that jesus is gods son and not god.
i never got baptized and at 17 i started to doubt all orginized religion but in the back of my mind saying that if theres no hell why serve god.
at 21 my life was a mess i was addicted to drugs and thought that it was satans system that was doing this to me and i should give the truth a chance again so i moved back home.
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Agree with AA – DON'T get baptized.
You need to get a handle on your life - A job or training for a job, working out your homosexuality, staying clean and sober. Your spelling/grammar/punctuation issues indicate that perhaps you should go back to school and get some education on which to get a career going.
The last thing you want to do is add the burden of trying to be a JW on top of all that. You're in a very vulnerable spot. Get some counseling - and not JW counseling. I know what they'll tell you.
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I dont know what to do
by Ex-smoker inok so i was raised in the truth and a lot of jw belifes are indoctrinated in me(big suprize) the main ones being that the dead are conscies of nothing and that jesus is gods son and not god.
i never got baptized and at 17 i started to doubt all orginized religion but in the back of my mind saying that if theres no hell why serve god.
at 21 my life was a mess i was addicted to drugs and thought that it was satans system that was doing this to me and i should give the truth a chance again so i moved back home.
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OK - Let me paragraphs this for you:
Ok so i was raised in the truth and a lot of JW belifes are indoctrinated in me(big suprize)
The main ones being that the dead are conscies of nothing and that jesus is gods son and not god. i never got baptized and At 17 i started to doubt all orginized religion but in the back of my mind saying that if theres no hell why serve god. at 21 my life was a mess i was addicted to drugs and thought that it was satans system that was doing this to me and i should give the truth a chance again so i moved back home.
after a week or so i was convinced that i was being brainwashed so i looked it up on line and found all the info that shocked me to the very core(the failed predictions of the past, the changes in stances by the societ, belonging to the UN as an NGO the changes they made in the bible among many other things.
I made plans to move in with my brother and showed the info i found with my family well they said it was lie's and apostate and yadda yadda yadda. Anyways i lived with my brother for a while and then moved to miami till i was 23 where my drug addiction got worse to the point where i thought the world was coming to an end and my friends were using my because they were worldly.
So in march i had a conversation with my father. he could tell i was despondent and might hurt myself. i told him i wanted to come home he said that ment going to the meetings and i said fine anything to get clean. Anyways long story short i went into rehab and have been clean for over a year.
I started making progree to the point were i wanted to get baptized at the next assembly mainly to please my dad. I also started going to a fellowship for compulsive overeaters for the last couple of months.
begining this week i had a conversation were i relized i might be gay, this led me to find a website about gay JWs which led to finding out about raymond franz and a crisses of conscience which led to other websites and finally here.
Im on the fence i dont know what to do. I wish my parents could except me for who i am but thats no possible. I also need there support as i am not able to live on my own.
I also dont want to lose my dads love. But if i get baptized and dedicate myself to that manmade organization i'll be going against jesus.
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So what caused you to have doubts in the first place?
by nicolaou ini had no doubts at all about the 'truth' untill a friend of mine in the cong' began falling away.
in trying to help him i had to ask questions and do research and that of course cracked the doors of my mind open for the first time in over thirty years.. years ago, when jwd allowed members to have signatures, i used the following quote from voltaire as mine.
i still love it.. doubt is uncomfortable, certainty is ridiculous..
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I was raised a JW, but early on realized there were lots and lots of holes in the teachings. BUT, I did believe in Jehovah at the time, and felt being a JW was the best thing.
I stifled many, many doubts, always waiting on Jehovah to eventually clear them up. I was a very liberal and forward thinking elder, and I had no trouble speaking up against stuff that I thought was no acceptable from hard line elders, COs, etc.
Eventually it was the science that convinced me the this was not The Truth. I started researching the science due to the 1914 Generation change in 1995 and the other changes in teaching around that same time.
You can only stifle doubts for so long, and then you just explode!
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Anyone Here Attend the New PO Elder's School?
by Seeker4 inmy ex-father-in-law just got back from the first elder's school for the presiding overseers.
anyone else attend?
anyone hear anything about it?
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Not sure what the rest of the schedule is. They started with the POs and will likely work their way through the body over the next year or so.
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What do you think fellow posters think of you?
by JH ini guess people think "photoshop" when they think of me.
yep, i love that.. oh, they also must think i have a screw loose .
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Mouthy, Mickey Mouse and Bizzy Bee - thank you all!
I like tons of people on here. What always shocks me is to see a comment by someone with a name I don't recognize, think, "Oh, must be a newbie!" only to find that it's something like their 4,000th post!!
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While I'm In Aruba, I'll Be Thinking Of All Of You :)
by minimus intomorrow i'll be in sunny aruba for a week and i just wanted you to know that i'll be thinking of y'all.
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Spring is coming to Vermont and you couldn't pay me to leave here for Aruba right now!
OK, I'm a lying arsehole. Have fun and make sure you get to the meetings! I better not hear any stories about that hairy ass of yours getting sunburned. Raise a glass to your Vermont buddies. I just toasted you with a Bushmills Irish whiskey on the rocks.
It sounds dorky, but we were on vacation in Playa del Carmen, Mexico years ago and actually went to the local KH for an evening meeting. It was sort of cool - the Hall was a half walled concrete block shack in the poorest part of town with screen for the top of the walls. These were not rich JWs, for sure, but they were nice and we had fun.
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