king: what do you make of all these child cases going around america, missing children, grabbed children, killed children?
sheindlin: i think you have to find the perpetrators and -- we talked about this the last time i was here.
you put them all on a plane.
Yes, I caught only the last ten minutes of the show. I have been wondering if the JW's came up in their conversation, prior to what I caught.
I believe that Larry should definitely enlarge on this issue, and invite someone who can speak out on the SilentLambs. He has is a very popular show with a very large audience.
Thanks for this thread. Judge Judy is Right On.
Sentinel/Karen
last night, i returned from the chess club with my son to find my wife on the phone.
apparently the congregation secretary had phoned to get our time.
not wanting to disappoint him, she put us both down for two hours.. now, none of us have stepped foot in a kingdom hall since april 10, and we haven't been out in service since march/01.
I appreciate your thread here. And, yes, I have often wondered myself, just how accurate those "reports" really are. What happened in your situation shows how inacurate the reports really are, even on service time.
Oh, and by the way, would you or anyone else here happen to know if "when" a person is da'd or df'd, the number of "active" is really reduced on record. If so, then when the da'd or df'd begins being active again, are they "added back in"?
With so many being da'd and df'd recently, it would seem that their "numbers" would reduce greatly. And, because so many will relent due to family pressure, and wanting to be "acceptable" again to loved wills, will return if only to "play the game", would this not make it seem like there would be a great influx of "new" members.
I just have often wondered how these numbers are played with by the WTBTS.
Glad I'm Out and Happy to be Free!
Sentinel/Karen
i just heard elton john's song on the radio titled beyond the yellow brick road.
wow!
it now has a whole new meaning for me, can you guess what it is?........
......you never really had a choice "then".
But, now you do.
Sentinel
i remember so many times during my youth sitting at one convention or another and listening to the speaker rationalize the wt view of the bible and always subtly throwing in a bit of plato bashing.
i've been trying to work this over in my head and then it occured to me that maybe what they obejected to was plato's analogy of the cave.
just for those of you who don't know... plato had an analogy about perception and what reality is without truth and reason.
Hummmm,
I don't know about the "red pills".
I think I saw a lot of them turn left....
......down the "yellow brick road";
and a few others took off for "never-never land"..
Sentinel
do you know any couples that were miserable together?
or maybe just not married to the right persons?
yet they stay together anyway because it was a 'grave sin against jehovah's arrangement'?.
Jim,
I do hope that things are resolved for you and the one you love. You seem like a very nice guy who's had so much to go through.
Remember, I read your whole story? And what a story it is. Sometimes, when "tragedies" occur, from outside sources, the marriage is hard hit. So many emotions involved. So much hurt and pain. And, the mates trying to "fix" it for each other, when there is nothing that can be done.
Acceptance is the key. Perhaps she will allow you to come back into her heart. It's obvious that she is still very much in yours.
Sentinel/Karen
i think it is not very likely that the world situation will develop to a state where the wt would give the command for jw's to kill apostates.
my goal is not to fan fear among xjw's, but to highlight the hate on which the wt's message is based.
the world is becoming a better place every day.. if god is love, yet hates, one could pose the question, is god pure?
Nancee:
Really, you don't have to do this same post in so many threads!
Please and thank you! We get it. We got it. We'd like something new from you.
well, after being frustrated since last saturday trying to get the local newspaper to do an article about silentlambs and the up coming march, hubby got a hold of the local tv station and they have just left after interviewing him and i about our involvement with the silentlambs and speaking up for that issue.
they didnt want to film us in front of the kingdom hall so we had them come to our house and do the filming.
(they filmed us in our office looking at the silentlambs website and then holding the latest wt 10/15/02, with the front cover saying who is behind all evil?
Dear Friends:
I am so proud of what you have been able to accomplish.
We must keep them in the news. They must be stopped.
We know what "hate" groups are capable of. I think of them as no less.
They are growing more radical by the minute.
((((((HUGS))))) (((((((SUPPORT)))))) (((((((LOVE))))))
Sentinel/Karen
i feel so sad, -------- for them,.
bad jerry and i went in this together and we left together.
our 3 sons ,2 teens and a 10 year old support us, they were never active, thankfully we have no other family members in the borg.
I am so sad for you on the one hand. But on the other hand, you still have your immediately family. That is such a blessing. You can find new friends. It's difficult to "replace" family memebers.
Know that others here support you in your grief. Having dedicated so much of one's life to the borg, and then being "cast out" like garbage is not a good feeling.
Take care of yourselves. Throw a family party or get together. Celebrate your freedom!
Love and Light,
Sentinel/Karen
my mother told us last night that her po told her we are disassociated.
no announcement was made.
she is upset, and i told her i would call him.. at first she didn't want me to do that, but later changed her mind.. so, i left a message on his answering machine.he will call me.........he always returns my calls.
(((MULAN)))
Its so awful, that you have to have such unhappy stuff going on with your 90 yr old mom. So unreal! Of all the things for mother and daughter to have to even "discuss". So abnormal.
I disassociated myself in 1981. I wrote two letters to that affect. One to my congregation and one directly to the Society. No one replied to either one. It was my own mother who saw to it that I was "labeled" and "shunned". She spread the word that I wasn't coming back and didn't "believe it was the truth" anymore. But, she succeeding in removing all my dear friends far from me, and I never pushed the issue with them when they cut me off, one by one. Who knows what lies were spread. It doesn't matter anymore.
Nothing was ever announced from the platform of the KH. I left because I made up my own adult mind that I didn't want to be a JW any more. I was so screwed up, that I didn't go to other churchs, I just became "religiously dormant". I tried to put the JW experience behind me, and in doing that, I wanted nothing to do with religion period.
A few years later, when I began a serious relationship, I was invited by my future husband to check out his church. I thought I was going to pass out! I felt like the rage of Jah was upon me for stepping foot in another religious building. I began shaking and got physically sick. I have never been to another church since.
Actually, that has not been a bad thing for me either. JW's always say "where will you go?", and in so many ways, that is a true statement. Since they don't have the truth, it is easy to see that all the world's religions have failed mankind through the centuries.
I'm at a much better place now. Even though the JW's still affect me through my mother, I am FREE. I really don't care if they stick me with the label "apostate". If telling the truth about them will benefit someone else, then I do it. I don't preach apostacy. I don't try to picket KH's to get people out. It's their free choice.
I wish you and your mom success in working through these issues.
Sentinel/Karen
to those who would "hate" the wtbts to the point of wishing great harm upon them... may you have peace!
and may you permit me to share with you a sound warning from my father, the god of abraham, isaac and jacob, the holy one of israel, by means of his son and my lord, jaheshua mischajah... through holy spirit:.
"take care in your anger.
Scootergirl,
Hi! I totally concur with what you said, word for word.
Grief for a loss comes in waves of different emotions. I am also feeling a great deal of anger towards my mother right now. Others in my family misunderstand I think. As my anger is more towards her "actions" rather than her personally. I would definitely not wish any harm to come to her, no matter how this has damaged me and my sibblings. But I do feel that she is responsible for her own decisions and actions. She is allowing them to control her, and is submitting fully to their directives.
If I hated her, then this would not be affecting me at all. But, it is. I hurt so much. I just got back from the doctor, and after having normal BP for years, I have been spiking. He wanted to know what has been going on with me..............and then, he just couldn't fathom any of it.
Take Care. We have the love and support here to help us get through this terrible time. I have a feeling it's going to get much worse. I am trying to prepare myself for whatever happens.
Love and Light,
Sentinel/Karen
