The society attempted to bury Rutherford at Beth Sarim, then Beth Shan and those requests were denied by the Planning Commission of San Deigo. I've read that Rutherford's remains were then shipped to New York, but where did they land? Where is his burial site? Shouldn't there have been a graveside ceremony?
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Rutherford's Burial Site
by NeverKnew inthe society attempted to bury rutherford at beth sarim, then beth shan and those requests were denied by the planning commission of san deigo.
i've read that rutherford's remains were then shipped to new york, but where did they land?
where is his burial site?
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Christian questions to ask current JWs
by Christ Alone inhere are some questions that i thought would be interesting to ask a jw if they were open to a free and open discussion.
this assumes a christian worldview that the bible is the word of god.
if you have any others, please post them!
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NOTSUREWHERETOGO: THANKS! I used that as an olive branch for a poor JW who looked like he had been used as a punching bag the night before!
Here's a few more!
- If failing to forgive is acknowledged by Paul as one of Satan's schemes (2 Cor 2:11), what's up with the practice of disfellowshipping?
- There are committees of oversight called Judicial Conduct Committees for judges. Do you have the same for judicial committees that fail to act in accordance with the Scriptures? If not, why not? OH! Because you have a legal department to determine wrongness - sorry... forgot about that. Worldly judges need oversight, Elders have the WTBTS LEGAL EAGLES..
- Literature such as the "Aid to Bible Understanding" acknowledge that the name "Jehovah" was made up in 1270 by a Roman Catholic monk so why does your organization continue to perpetuate a lie of "Jehovah" being God's personal name when they know it's not?
- According to WT theology, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and a host of other prophets are going to be resurrected and live on Earth. Are you telling me that the annointed in YOUR organization, folks who you see partaking in your congregations, are MORE WORTHY to be with God than HIS OWN SELF-SELECTED PROPHETS???
The last two send me reeling.
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I'm meeting with my wife's minister.
by Defianttruth inmy wife belongs to a small nondenominational church here in town.
i have my reservations.
i am creating a list of questions to ask him.
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NeverKnew
I LOVE this and I'm proud of you for being brave enough to expose yourself to something new. Trinitarian here... born-in.
I grew up being told they all have different parts right and wrong. Yes, both. Confused yet? Don't be. If you believe a little differently? It's okay... Nobody goes to argue doctrinal differences, they go to hear a gospel. If you don't agree with the gospel you hear, you can find a different one if you'd like from a different denomination... or not.
What happens when he and I have theological differences?
Nothing. You just have theological differences. He or she may welcome your questions/thoughts. We can all learn from someone. If it's a doctrine that rubs sandpaper across your eardrums, you can choose to continue going for the parts you do agree with or you can choose not to go. People will still say hi to you when you go to the grocery store and include you in invitations to gather with them. If you don't show up, they'll either figure you're not into their church (which is fine) or that you were a visitor (which is fine). Your relationship with God is about you and He. Not you, He and every Tom, Dick and Harry sitting next to you. :)
What conflict of interest resolutions will he accept?
I'm not sure I understand this. Are you asking if he'll change his methodologies based on your assertions? If so, uh.. probably not. Most people just switch denominations to ones that fit their models. No questions asked.
Membership requirements.
You are adorable. Uh... how about, "come in peace as often as you like." How about that one?
What path must I exercise to reach God?
Depends on her church on this one. I can assure you, the path will be nominal compared to where you've been.
I would sincerely LOVE to hear your thoughts when you come home.
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New Member...
by sosoconfused inhello everyone, just wanted to say hi and introduce myself.. i am a mid 30's just stepped aside elder, who just couldn't handle it anymore.. i am a 3rd generation born-in and former pioneer and bethelite.
it has been a log somewhat confusing ride for me, but i am finally settling in to realizing that i need to really look at what me and my family are doing.. .
its funny though what really got me here... it wasn't the 40 year old men telling me they were looking at boobies on the computer and hoping not to get in trouble, it wasn't the watching young people bail left and right, it wasn't the ever changing new light etc... but a simple thought.. .
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I told one of them that I need a nice vacation to Beth Sarim and he was like, "yeah that would be nice".
It would have been really cool if he would have responded, "Beth Shan for me - tighter security there." *giggling*
Welcome... :)
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New Member-Active Elder
by Promitheas ini'm a new member & i'd like to say hi to everyone, intoducing myself.. i am a 3rd generation born-in at mid 50's & an active elder.. english is not my mother language, so pls ignore any grammatical errors.
i live in a small country in europe.. i'd like to thank you for all information posted.
some of them have rally helped me to understand and examine again my beliefs.. last new light concerning f&ds=gb has verified the idea that they are popes in the position op pope.. i still believe in god & in his son jesus christ but not in the gb..
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NeverKnew
Welcome from a pretty heavily populated state in the United ones... *giggling*
Your language barrier will be no problem whatsoever - it's your perspective we'll all enjoy!
Hopefully you'll give other elders the courage to make their voices known.
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Christian questions to ask current JWs
by Christ Alone inhere are some questions that i thought would be interesting to ask a jw if they were open to a free and open discussion.
this assumes a christian worldview that the bible is the word of god.
if you have any others, please post them!
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NeverKnew
Apog: If you think Gen 19:24 is interesting, you'll probably want to see Amos 4:11!!!
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Most Current Teaching?
by NeverKnew inare abraham, isaac and jacob returning to earth or heaven?.
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NeverKnew
I have a pdf of kingdom interlinear on my home computer. Hopefully kingdom is singular in that book. He has the actual KI and we are seeing each other tomorrow.
I may ask him to bring it.
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Most Current Teaching?
by NeverKnew inare abraham, isaac and jacob returning to earth or heaven?.
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Ding.... ahhhh, thank you.
Because I don't own a NWT, I've asked that we read the ESV so he was responding from an ESV.
I've railed against the NWT, so, as thorough as he is, I can assure you he is using the Bible app we have both downloaded on to our phones and making comparisons.
The Youversion Bible is a great free app for anyone interested.
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Most Current Teaching?
by NeverKnew inare abraham, isaac and jacob returning to earth or heaven?.
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Oh what a tangled web they've woven.....
Thanks. I'm a Trinitarian... born-in so to deconstuct, I am working really hard to understand constructs.
The roadblocks built seem to be neverending.
I suspect right now he's trying to figure out why his WT is saying the opposite of the verses presented.
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Most Current Teaching?
by NeverKnew inare abraham, isaac and jacob returning to earth or heaven?.
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And yet the witnesses claim that Jesus used hellfire and the immortal soul in a parable. But it was all completely fictional?
Wait... I'm so sleepy I'm cross-eyed. Are you being serious?