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NeverKnew
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Sleep Aid Recommendations
by LV101 inin addition to the recent thread, "how to shut your mind down .
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" (which is excellent) but there was another thread about the same time i'm searching for and unable to locate.
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Can anyone disprove 607 BCE date using only the NWT and WT literature?
by Bart Belteshassur ini haven't come across any arguement that does not involve secular history and external references.
in fact the wt can not get to 607 bce without using external sources as in knowing that they need to get back from 1914 ce to 607 bce, and botching an argument using an external date as reference to create their start point at 537 bce.. i realize that to get the final date we must provide a fixed figure from somewhere which can only be a historical source, but the objective would be to disprove the wt flim flam.
once that is achieve we can use which ever fixed historical point they wish to chose.
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Interesting article about Wikipedia edit wars! JW's rank near the top of religious editing!
by NoRegrets ini found this interesting!
the jw's are very,very busy trying to keep a hold on the real information regarding the group's ugly underbelly!.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/27/religion-wikipedia_n_5618877.html.
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I FINALLY found a car I like & brought it home tonight = )
by FlyingHighNow inafter nearly seven months of bus rides and asking for rides, i have purchased a car.. for all of you who made helpful suggestions & contributions to my car buying thread, especially zed is dead, thank you so much.. my thread asking for advice on car buying:.
suggestions for car buying23.
i bought a 2009, pontiac g 6. my reasons for choosing a g 6: this car gets great miles per gallon.
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NeverKnew
Congratulations FlyingHigh!!!! I'm excited for you. I suspect you'll have a blast driving along those countrysides. :)
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Testimony card returns
by sir82 inold timers, or careful readers of the proclaimers book, are familiar with the "testimony card" used in the early days of rutherford-era door to door witnessing.
the jw would traipse up to a house, knock, hand the card over to the householder, and wait while he read it.. well, it seems that "everything old is new again".
here is an excerpt from a recent boe letter:.
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NeverKnew
I already got a business card as descibed from an elder in Ohio! I can take a picture of it and post it when I get home (without his name ...to be kind).
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Most absurd thing I heard at the convention yesterday!
by Batman89 inbrother lett was giving the last talk of the day about what they supposedly accomplished in 100 years.
i was just waking up so im paraphrasing alittle(i was dosing off all day) anyways in his introduction he said.
"there is more evidence to prove gods kingdom on the earth is a reality than wind,electricity and gravity is a reality on the earth".
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Which day and approximate time do they tell the observers not to date worldly people or own pets that take time away from theocratic interests?
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Convention badges
by chloekitten1969 ini havent posted on here for many a year, but i have become an activist this year and i need a bit of advice please.. .
a friend and i have designed some stickers and we will be attending the conventions this year, with the intention of trying to wake people up discreetly.
if i knew how to attach the word document containing our stickers i would (please feel free to email me at [email protected]).. anyhow the help i want is this.
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Can an interested non-JW attend these events or are they JW only?
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STARTING OVER with my Elderette - What Does the Bible REALLY Teach?
by Faithful Witness inshe said, "so, what made you decide to study this book?
at this point, she opened with a prayer.
"...and some decide that such questions are best left to religious leaders and teachers.
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I was going to message you on this to stay under the radar but I suspect that those reading your threads may find this of interest. I truly would like for this to remain buried in this thread. You will want to read James 1 and James 4.
I recently realized that paragraph 7 is one of the first opportunities to show
1. that the literature may be twisting scriptures to fit WTS conclusions, and
2. that the WTS can do an abracadabra on the interpretation if you're not paying attention.
The paragraph is about how the evil religious leaders of Christendom are telling people that bad things happening is God's will. Let her know that you read the book of James as a result of this paragraph. Ask if, contextually, she understands James 1:13 as being about God's will or man's will. If she reads it and acknowledges that the passage is with respect to man's will, ask her why they use that scripture to support God's will. If she says otherwise, let her argue in as many ways that she can, that the passage refers to God's will.
As an aside, I've had three different JWs tell me variations of stories of conversions to JWism AFTER an evil ill-informed religious leader told them (or someone that they knew) that the loss of a loved one was God's will. If you are so blessed with this, ask if the writer of James would support that conclusion. If she answers in the affirmative, ask her how she interprets James 4:15 - Is God's will with respect to a life just true if they are doing commerce?... What all might be included with "this or that?
If nobody died with their surviving loved ones being angry at their religious leader, focus on the last sentence of paragraph 7. Tell her that in order for an interpretation to be true, you believe that it has to be true thoughout the scriptures. Tell her that if what the paragraph says is true, you need for her to help you with some other scriptures. Go to Proverbs 16:4. Follow with Isaiah 45:7 and the NWT's cross-referenced scriptures at Eccl and Amos. If you haven't ticked her off, go to one of the Potter passages. I like Romans 9:10-25... there are some real gems in that small passage. Each of the following verses denies the WTS of some aspect of it's proclaimed truth: 11, 15, 16, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23.
Let it rest for a few weeks. I promise you're going to want to leap to the next piece, but don't.
When you get to the top of page 29? ... "HEY!!!!!! When I told you that James 1:13 had to do with man's will on page 10, you told me that the passage was about God's will! Why does this book now tell me that the passage is about man's will? Wait a minute.... seriously, which is truth??? Whose will is the verse really about?!?"
Either way, she's stuck either denying WTS truth found on page 10 or denying the truth found on page 29.
Good luck. :)
"If you follow any man without asking questions, you are begging to be exploited."
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STARTING OVER with my Elderette - What Does the Bible REALLY Teach?
by Faithful Witness inshe said, "so, what made you decide to study this book?
at this point, she opened with a prayer.
"...and some decide that such questions are best left to religious leaders and teachers.
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Did you get to paragraph 7? THAT'S becoming my favorite paragraph.
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Could There Be Another Mass Exodus From This Cult?
by mrquik init's happened before.
how much crap can any rational human being take before they just snap & walk away disgusted?.
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I can see shunning working on those leaving alone... that makes sense. However, leaving with entire families who have had it in tow? Now you're talking mass exodus.