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  History of Everything & Stuff by Doug Checketts

  by blondie in

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  eve says, "this is .

  " so eve eateth of the tree.

  so adam eateth of the tree, also.. and he blamed eve for everything.

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  BluePill2

  Genius! Such a gifted writer and thinker!
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  There Is No Key To Happiness!

  by abiather in

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  2. beliefs

  religions make it appear that there is a key to happiness and give the impression that they have the key, and enjoy people always look to them for happiness!.

  interestingly, jesus meant there is no key to happiness, but it is the very nature of all human beings.

  (luke 17:21) people like jws did not even translate this verse properly.

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  THIS.

  Nothing happens to us which we do not deserve (Isaiah 3:10, 11 and Galatians 6:7)

  You've got to love religion! This kid will certainly thank you for these great words of wisdom, taken directly from gods word. Yeah, he totally deserves to be on that wheelchair and to pee his pants without help. I can see this kid reading Isaiah and Galatians and clapping his hands. Totally.

  
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  It is that time of year again... I AM INVITING YOU ALL TO THE 2014 MEMORIAL OF JESUS DEATH

  by suavojr in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  yes, it time to gather and 'keep doing this in remembrance of me.

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  11:24 .. come all to our best memorial ever!

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  Darn! I was hoping for something like last year to start a new Photoshop frenzy, over at my friends:

  http://www.somethingawful.com/photoshop-phriday/jehovahs-witness-flyer/1/

  That was a blast, and everybody had fun for weeks.
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  The only thing in this world we have complete unquestionable control over is our own mind, and our own thoughts, and how we choose to frame (or think about) things.

  by RunAsFastAsYouCan in

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  the only thing in this world we have complete unquestionable control over is our own mind, and our own thoughts, and how we choose to frame (or think about) things.. and when you throw away all of the layers of constructs.

  religious mores,.

  agendas,.

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  Controlling thoughts is like running after Butterflies and trying to catch them. The mind continously "plays" thoughts and throws images at you - that is what it does best. Like your stomach juices flowing around. The only success I ever had to find something close to a "calm mind" is to allow the thoughts, to accept them and just stop caring what they are, mean or where they come from. Then I try to observe my mind and guess what the next thought will be or just trying to observe the "confusion" and suddenly it becomes still and quiet. It's like if the mind doesn't like to be observed and stops, waiting for "you" to look away again and start its job again. Strange and interesting experiment.

  Something like looking at the sky and seeing clouds, birds passing by without being able to control them. Just let it be.

  But I get your point OP. We cannot influence our surroundings (or at least that is what my conclusion is...so far).
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  Consequences of the cult? FEAR and PASSIVITY - anything else?

  by BluePill2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  depending how long you where a member or if you where a born in, the watchtower leaves certain marks or traces in your mind that you only notice after leaving them for good.. i think this is similar to a big river, with a high level of water that covers the hidden rocks and cliffs.

  once you start lowering the water level, all these rocks come to the surface and suddenly that river is difficult to navigate.. like that river, our minds are flooded with false hope for the future, a naive expectation to have jehovah sort things out for you and lots of fake, conditional love and warmth.

  all these things hide the fact that the same organization also put some heavy rocks into your mind called fear and passivity.

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  Thank you all for your input. Again and again this community shows good heart and to be of wonderful help (at least to me).

  Flipper, that is interesting that you don't like if people "boss" you around. I think that our brain learns from past mistakes, corrects and in the process might overcompensate and go to another extreme.

  I am really not blaiming the Watchtower (although as someone wrote me in a PM, the GB will have to answer for a lot of things), but just trying to understand what they have done with my mind. I could have been raised in a fanatical football fan family and then I would be here dealing with some other shit in my mind. It is just that the Watchtower creates a certain pattern of thinking that goes against what is natural and makes you a complete Loser in human society. Almost anti-social and parasitic as you don't take part and share with others. My girlfriend says that she observes in me traits that foreigners show if they are in a unknown country, only that we have them towards EVERYBODY. The whole planet is foreign to a Witness.

  I started reading Eckhart Tolles book "In the Power of Now" and as Flipper said, I am not accepting all the advice (being on the defensive, looking for the "hook") but at least the advice to be more aware of yourself and the present moment is helping me to gain a calm mind and more peace. Observing my own thoughts and seeing them as "objects" helps me to detach a bit and to start understanding and accepting things. I hope to get more insight from the book and my own thoughts and this good and helpful community.

  Jeff Spreng: friend, I don't know you and I don't know what you where looking for on this forum. I hope you will find whatever you are looking for. I think this site is open to present witnesses, ex-witnesses, happy ex-witnesses, disgruntled present witnesses or disgruntled ex-witnesses. THAT is exactly the beauty of freedom of expression. This site is NOT JW.org or your local congregation where you think that everything is sanitized and the only filth is the dust laying on old Watchtower volumes, but at least here you can express yourself, unlike at the local KH. What is it that you where looking for? If you visited the Internet in the search for ____________(whatever) it means that you couldn't find the answer with the friendly body of elders (and they might be friendly or not, don't know). Anyway, welcome friend. Open your heart. Be brave and let us hear and help each other.
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  Consequences of the cult? FEAR and PASSIVITY - anything else?

  by BluePill2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  depending how long you where a member or if you where a born in, the watchtower leaves certain marks or traces in your mind that you only notice after leaving them for good.. i think this is similar to a big river, with a high level of water that covers the hidden rocks and cliffs.

  once you start lowering the water level, all these rocks come to the surface and suddenly that river is difficult to navigate.. like that river, our minds are flooded with false hope for the future, a naive expectation to have jehovah sort things out for you and lots of fake, conditional love and warmth.

  all these things hide the fact that the same organization also put some heavy rocks into your mind called fear and passivity.

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  BluePill2

  Depending how long you where a member or if you where a born in, the Watchtower leaves certain marks or traces in your mind that you only notice AFTER leaving them for good.

  I think this is similar to a big river, with a high level of water that covers the hidden rocks and cliffs. Once you start lowering the water level, all these rocks come to the surface and suddenly that river is difficult to navigate.

  Like that river, our minds are flooded with false hope for the future, a naive expectation to have Jehovah sort things out for you and lots of fake, conditional Love and warmth. All these things hide the fact that the same Organization also put some heavy rocks into your mind called FEAR and PASSIVITY. I am not in a mission to blame my Witness past for all things that went wrong in my Life, some things where good, some normal and some very particular to being a member in a high control group.

  I don't know if you experienced the same as I have in terms of noting a higher degree of fear after you left the group. I am fearful to address problems, to face them "eye-to-eye" and as a result have lost business and personal relationships. I avoid problems like the plague, I become anxious and my problems become worse. The other day I sat down and started thinking why I am who I am and remembered a few things.

  The Society instilled FEAR in me. Fear of governments, fear of persecution, fear to say something that Satan could overhear. I was 12 and very quiet. I learned that Satan could overhear your words and use them against you, but not your thoughts, so I wanted to trick him and speak as few words as possible. I refused to talk about my inner feelings to ANYBODY, kept everything to myself, swallowing like a good soldier for the Lord. Ridiculous, I know. My mother teached us that we have to endure cold, hunger and pain because we might get thrown into a concentration camp and tortured. I raised up in Germany and spent a good amount of time with the "old timers" to hear all these stories about the concentration camps, read about anything I could get my hands on and wanted to "be ready".

  Now I left, but the structures of fear are still there. Operating, without reason, but still in place sabotaging my Life at every turn. I notice that fear creaping in, the anxiety that follows and have just no reason for that.

  The same thing about PASSIVITY. Jehovahs Witnesses must be some of the most stubborn, passive people on earth. We had big problems as my father left my mother because he couldn't bear "the Truth" anymore. The financial hardships where met by Prayer and waiting on Jehovah. "No, you don't fix things by yourself! That is being proud and walking ahead of Jehovah." You WAIT. How many times did I hear to WAIT, WAIT,.....wait for some miraculous help that never came, wait for Armageddon, wait for this and that.

  Just some FRIGGIN WAITING. Never taking action and fixing things. I hate that attitude in me.

  I was soooo convinced that this is how God works that one day I left home without enough gas in my tank. I was a dirt poor regular pioneer and didn't had enough money to fill my car for field service. Nonetheless I left to a remote territory without money, without gas. That is the stuff that gets told in Circuit assemblies. I thought: God will help me. I ended up on a remote road, WITHOUT gas until night. Had to beg a stranger for some help to get my sorry ass back. Thought that God would send an angel down to Shell to fix my problem.

  All that is still within me. I know it. I notice it EVERYDAY and sometimes don't know how to get rid of that mentality.

  How is your experience? Is this just crazy me? Do you have any other traces of the cult in your mind? Would love to hear if this is a general problem or just me. Thank you for reading. Wanted to discuss this for a long time.
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  Depression, Medication, and Other Grey Areas

  by startingover13 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  one thing that i have noticed in my dealings with a lot of women in the congregation are deep, intense feelings of insecurity and worthlessness.

  i use the term "worthlessness" very loosely because it can apply to many different situations, in the congregation, in the home, personally, etc.

  over the years, and especially over the past 6 years, i've met sisters from all walks of life.

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  My mother takes multiple anti-depressants - for years now. She even gets them without prescription (from my grandmother's supply). She is very faithful and has been a witness for over 40 years. I never knew her differently, always on meds and on an emotional rollercoaster.

  During my time at Bethel I had to go to meet a doctor in an official visit (we where making arrangements to get some Doctors under "contract" to treat Bethelites at a better rate or for free - paid by the Society for elder ones). She was from Switzerland and was one of the "favorite" Doctors on the Bethelites list.

  After having a pleasant chit chat, she asked me Why is it that your religion has so many depressed people? I asked her: "What do you mean?" thinking that she was just about to bash our faith. She said that in the past months she had treated an extremely high number of Witnesses with mental depression and suicidal problems and that she was worried. Especially because many of them didn't wanted anybody to know about their problem. She wanted to know more in order to be able to help better. I was flabbergasted and had no words to answer. She was a very nice Lady that really took care of her patients. We closed the contract with her and I kept this conversation to myself. Never commented that back at Bethel.

  Nowadays I know she was right. Looking back at all the Judicial Committees, I think that most people were mentally unstable and victimized by the WT$.
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  WT Study Article Counsels JW’s To Be Humane Towards Disfellowshiped Ones

  by baldeagle in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  wt august 1, 1974 pp.

  467-468 maintaining a balanced viewpoint toward disfellowshiped ones.

  5 it is right to hate the wrong committed by the disfellowshiped one, but it is not right to hate the person nor is it right to treat such ones in an inhumane way.suppose, then, a member of a christian congregation boating on a lake were to see another boat containing a disfellowshiped person capsize, throwing the disfellowshiped one into the water where he struggled to stay afloat.

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  Outlaw, that GB member is totally smug in that image. He totally should be dragged to Guantanamo and learn to count under water.
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  Child custody problems

  by A.proclaimer in

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  2. scandals

  this is the letter that was read today in the congregation:.

  to all congregations in the united states territory.

  re:child custody packet.

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  Are there some links here to read about it?

  I will/am facing a child custody problem very soon (court date is set). I wrote a lengthy letter to the court and the governmental agency that will look into the matter. I wrote in a professional, business like tone without sounding vengative or hateful. My ex-wifes lawyer wrote to the court stating that I am attacking religious freedom and that has nothing to do with the case at hand. Although I explained that the treatment of our child and the reasons why our marriage broke apart where ALL tied to the "religion".

  My ex-wife offered me a deal: to give me a "hassle free" divorce, but I have to sign on the dotted line and forfeit all the rights to the child.

  This even reads awful "rights to a child". I held her in my arms when she was born, stayed all night awake because my wife had to undergo a surgery and was in recovery. I opted to not sleep one minute and watch over the Baby. It is a deep cut into my heart. Sometimes I think they won, that I would rather go back or make everything go away to get back to my daughter. Although, one day she might not even accept what I did (DA'ed myself).

  Religion? This is a spiteful, sanctimonious group of hypocrites that have tax-exemption and are milking their members for cash.
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  Former Austria and Switzerland branches update!!

  by Viva la Vida in

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  the wt branches in switzerland and austria were sold and now they are being develop into apartment buildings.. check the projects on the following links:.

  switzerland: http://www.vbarch.ch/aktuelles (7th picture from top).

  austria: http://www.wvg.at/projekte/13g40.

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  Buuuuaaaahhhahahahahahahah.....Billy the Ex-Bethelite this was perfect humour. How true and crazy! The chariot is shooting around, with a broken steering wheel.