Rub a Dub: perfectly explained. I know that Witnesses from Spain and guys at the Branch hated to see those expressions. I think they will change this to Spains Spanish...wait and see. Spaniards can be very nationalistic and protective of the language. They refuse to use modern day words like "mouse" (computer) - other languages adopted the english word. They don't say "computer" they say "ordenador". The languages do differ.
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Special Assembly in Puerto Rico Coliseum to annouce Branch Closure
by Calebs Airplane inso, 2 weekends ago, my wife is showing an apartment to a potential buyer in the financial district of san juan and walks the buyer over to the balcony to show her the awesome views.
the buyer looks down at a crowd approaching puerto rico coliseum (aka jose miguel agrelot coliseum) and asked my wife: "are those jehovah's witnesses?
" my wife looks down from 19 stories up, notices the "pioneer pace" of the crowd and says: "yes.
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Special Assembly in Puerto Rico Coliseum to annouce Branch Closure
by Calebs Airplane inso, 2 weekends ago, my wife is showing an apartment to a potential buyer in the financial district of san juan and walks the buyer over to the balcony to show her the awesome views.
the buyer looks down at a crowd approaching puerto rico coliseum (aka jose miguel agrelot coliseum) and asked my wife: "are those jehovah's witnesses?
" my wife looks down from 19 stories up, notices the "pioneer pace" of the crowd and says: "yes.
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Aussie Oz. Spot on.
Gayle, you are right. This should impact the numbers. I know from personal contacts that the closing of Central american branches was a big mistake. Elders would personally visit the Branch to discuss problems. They have bad communication networks in rural areas (elders sometimes don't even have a phone) and they can't or it isn't in their culture to write letters. So it was pretty much standard to have regular visits from elders that had problems within the group or with the CO. Now with the branch gone, it will turn into internal fights and fragmentation. Wait and see.
During my time at Bethel I worked with several Spaniards, and it was always a thorn that the translation was being made in a "non castillan" country. They would always smirk and have that "poor-idiots"-smile whenever they found a strange translation. I guess the Puerto Ricans/Latin americans will be pissed now...
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It's a miserable life --- Really?
by Lady Lee ini was at the check-out counter sitting in my wheelchair, listening to the customer behind me talk to the cashier.
he looks at her and says she looks tired.
she rings through one more of my purchases and she it has been a long day.
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Lady Lee: I don't write here very often, but I always look forward to your postings. You are a wonderful person (even if you don't think so), we think you are. This post alone is doing lots of good - more than you know. Sometimes you think, that it is not worth to sit down and write something here, but it stays here and that little voice calls out - further away than you think.
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
And as for the wheelchair & skydiving thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr9D8w-VyYI
Ok, you don't have to do that! But overall: Humans are awesome and deal with some incredible bad s%$#!
rip van winkle: Very good thoughts. Thank you for that. This could be a mini instruction to print out and have at my wall for "Success". I wish you well my friend. Keep it up!!!
Never give up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW579icDRSA
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If there is a God why didn't he sign our DNA
by scotoma intodays scientists can and do insert their trademark into dna.. why couldn't jehovah anticipate scientists learning this technique and stumbling across a strand that says "human by yhwh"?.
that would have answered a lot of questions.. he could have even included a model number human2.0.
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It's very simple. Lets say there is a God/Creator. Yes, lets assume there are actual written words in the DNA: "Made by ....."
Now what?
Think about your answer. How does it affect your PRESENT Life?
Does he (or she? why "he"?) want something from you/me PERSONALLY?
If yes, what is it? To be moral? Not murdering, stealing, harming others? Well, we figured that one out, without him/she/it telling us. But if there is something else, how can we know what it is?
What will he do with us? Will he kill millions and reward millions? Why? How do you get to these conclusions?
Oooooh, I see, the Bible! Why didn't he communicate with us through the Quran or other Holy books? Or the Watchtower?
Back to square one...
DNA > Complex > Needs complex Designer > Complex > Needs complex Designer > Complex > Needs complex Designer....(Flow overstack error).
The sentence "existed from indefinite time to indefinite time" is taken straight out of the Bible. We don't know that idea from any other Book. So, the Bible & Christians are the only ones with clear, correct information from the Creator?
Back to square one...
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Is there a 'third' way to leave?
by Splash inonce baptised, apart from death there are really just two ways to leave the congregation: df or da.. but notice this quote:.
"does he really desire to disassociate himself, or does he simply no longer want to associate actively with the congregation?".
- shepherd the flock of god (2010) p. 111. .
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I can answer you as an ex-elder and someone that worked with the service department of several branches.
This is recognizing that such a thing as fading exists. But as others have pointed, two elders will punch holes, until you say the magic words "I no longer want to associate" and this gets you into hot waters. This will depend on the elders, how well acquainted they are with JW-legalese and if they are uber-zealous nazi-elders that want to "dispose in a clean way" > means: no doubts about anyones position - either they are in or out (DA, DF'd).
The third way pans out like this:
- You INSIST that you want to be a Witness, you are just depressed/tired/having difficult times/.....whatever
- They HAVE to visit you, some will do it multiple times. You have to stay in there (again: depending on the type of elders you're dealing with). The goal is to wear them out - they only have so much time/energy to devote to one single member.
After a while they will leave you, marked as "weak one". You can show up once in a while. Move to another place.
But this is no guarantee that you will keep ties to your family members. At least uber-zealous witnesses WILL cut ties with you - EVEN if you are still baptized - technically still a Witness - because you are weak and therefore "bad company" to them. This was the case with some of my relatives. I was still preaching/visiting the Hall, erratically, but they shunned me anyway. So, I went: "All In".
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My wife just told me to move out...
by nolongerconfused inbecause of "religious" differences, she now wants me to move out and "separate"...i said what biblical grounds does she have for her request?.
she couldnt respond...she said she'd rather be beaten up by me than have an "apostate" in the house.... this org definitely encourages conditional love.... i don't know what to do...by the way, we dont have children.
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Sorry to hear that nolongerconfused. If you want to keep the marriage your in for a looong haul.
I was in the same situation. Stayed 5 more years, toning down, toning up, going back to the Hall because of her. In the end I was tired and she was constantly angry at me - even if I didn't talk about TTATT or even things related to religion.
We separated 2 1/2 years ago, divorce undergoing....we both moved out. Sad. Very tiredsome. Hurtful.
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Were/Are you and Elder, MS, CO, Bethelite, etc.? (Please check in here)
by El_Guapo ini'm sure alot of you have noticed, the influx of new jwn members with "postitions within the cong" this is amazing, i myself am still an m.s.
working to get removed.
lol my wife (who has been really supportive throughout my fade) asked my why i am doing i decided to fade?.
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Becoming an ex ex-JW
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April KM Question Box: Cellphones
by pixel incheck out this arriving in april:.
what bible principles apply to the useof cell phones while attending christian meetings and sharing in the ministry?.
for everything there is an appointed time.
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It wouldn't surprise me with the toilet paper because the last time we met up with missionaries from Africa they said that before you go to use the washroom there's a brother and sister sitting handing out only two squares of toilet paper to each person. One for pee and one for poo
I used to "serve" as Special Pioneer in Latin america (different countries) and at Assemblies we had to give instructions like:
- Don't use the pissoirs at the mens room to bath your child (if you think about it, they look like little "pilot seats" where a baby fits nicely in).
I peed my pants hearing that announcement.
At the same Assembly Hall they had to open the sewage system, because the water pumps would jam. Full of condoms! I HAD to see that with my own eyes, as I thought the caretaker of the Assembly Hall was joking with me. Nope. It could only come from the participants of the Assembly, since this was a closed propietary system.
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Rumor of new light on the headquarters of the WT
by wolfman85 ini read in a forum in spanish that there is a strong rumor spreading in the corridors of the wt.
has anyone heard anything about this??
the change that is emerging is this: the great crowd has not yet appeared, and it is a group that comes out of the great tribulation.
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Unbelievable. These crazy GB members could turn around, drop their pants down and MOON every JW and they'd say " It's new light ! , you'll earn to love it ! " And JW's would eat it up and kiss their spiritual behinds ! If only JW's realized that the alleged " new light " is emanating from those very behinds . Peace out, mr. Flipper
Mr. Flipper that would be more interesting than the stuff they are printing. Really. With pictures. Have the publishers underline the butts for importance.
Seriously. How does it change the life of a regular joe dub? still going to meetings, still peddling magazines, still..........they could say that the moon is made of cheese and that they will henceforth change the name of blue to red and it would still be the same.
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BORN-INS! What Were The Most Annoying Quotes Your Parents Would Say?
by OneStepOut93 inregarding worldly people, shows or toys?
etc...what quotes annoyed you the most?.
for me it was "well, you have to remember, they're worldly"... "don't trust anyone who isn't in the truth" "they may be nice but they are not friends of jehovah"... just a few to name.
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"You will reap what you sow."
What a stupid, fucking thing. After I left I thought about how senseless this phrase is (yes, the Bible has plenty of useless crap).
Let's see. I should have answered:
Answer 1: "No Mom, sometimes there is bad weather and shit and you only reap part of it."
Answer 2: "Is that a rule? Really? A 100% RULE? Like unfalible RULE? I don't think so..."
Answer 3: "I can sow, than destroy the field, than sow something else, than drive a tractor over it, or even sell the goddamn land."
Answer 4: "WTF?"