Your experience is very reminiscent of my own and it confirms the errosive nature of the religion. Only those who live through it can appreciate fully the injustice. If the Watchtower had cultivated tolerance and respect for individual conscience, your wife and mine may have continued to respect us through our difficult period of disillusionment. Thank you for your letter and my respect to you for your fidelity throughout your marriage.
Siddhashunyata
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I'm back online! - and a letter to the elders
by dmouse insince the breakdown of my marriage i have been living round my mum's - .
hooray for mums everywhere, but especially mine!.
now, mum's not the most up to date person so no computer or internet.
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Amor mortis
by Narkissos inone thing i am now pretty convinced of about religion or mystics is that it is often related to what freud called todestrieb (death drive, or drive to death?
): it is apparent in christianity from paul's "theology of the cross", which implies "dying to one's desire" (an exemplary expression of it could be galatians 5:24, "those who belong to christ jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires").
but it certainly has correspondence elsewhere (such as the "non-being" goal in taoism or buddhism).. in the jws' doctrine, despite all claims to the contrary, death is omnipresent from the penalty of sin in eden down to armaggedon (as "tipyfied" by the flood, the destruction of sodom and gomorrah, etc.
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To a "seeker", disillusionment (with a belief system ie: Fundamentalism, JW) becomes liberation from belief itself. This opens the door to another way of seeking , the way of no belief and no thought. There being no thought, there is no guilt, no judgement, just observation and action.
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Amor mortis
by Narkissos inone thing i am now pretty convinced of about religion or mystics is that it is often related to what freud called todestrieb (death drive, or drive to death?
): it is apparent in christianity from paul's "theology of the cross", which implies "dying to one's desire" (an exemplary expression of it could be galatians 5:24, "those who belong to christ jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires").
but it certainly has correspondence elsewhere (such as the "non-being" goal in taoism or buddhism).. in the jws' doctrine, despite all claims to the contrary, death is omnipresent from the penalty of sin in eden down to armaggedon (as "tipyfied" by the flood, the destruction of sodom and gomorrah, etc.
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Yes, I understand. From childhood on, the influences produce a reflex in the mind and without sacrifice there is anxiety. This helps explain why Jehovah's Witnesses were able to steal so many converts from guilt centered religions especially Catholicism. Not only did JW's reinforce guilt but they provided a long list of sacrificial antidotes. Buddhism (excluding all the sectarian leveraging that goes on) has, in my opinion, a more organic concern with death . That is, death is part of life and ,by dispelling ignorance within one's self, it can be understood. Works of sacrifice are useful only so far as they dispell ignorance. Once ignorance is dispelled , compassion motivates all works. It is my opinion that this teaching is the teaching of Jesus Christ and that it stands in conflict with the Judaic-Messianic teaching that has been recorded along side it in the Bible.
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Amor mortis
by Narkissos inone thing i am now pretty convinced of about religion or mystics is that it is often related to what freud called todestrieb (death drive, or drive to death?
): it is apparent in christianity from paul's "theology of the cross", which implies "dying to one's desire" (an exemplary expression of it could be galatians 5:24, "those who belong to christ jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires").
but it certainly has correspondence elsewhere (such as the "non-being" goal in taoism or buddhism).. in the jws' doctrine, despite all claims to the contrary, death is omnipresent from the penalty of sin in eden down to armaggedon (as "tipyfied" by the flood, the destruction of sodom and gomorrah, etc.
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Please amplify the distinction between the "religious mind" and other minds?
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Are You Still SEARCHING For The "Truth"?
by minimus infor many of us, we are "all searched out".
i'm presently, not looking for all that much.
are you yearning for "truth"?
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You can see from my earlier post that I recommend the teachings of Krishnamurti. I don't recommend him like a Guru but merely as someone who found something out and who tried to point the way to what he found. Interestingly he was always taking up the subject of Meditation and trying to point out that real meditation was when one observed the action of his own mind. By action he meant the process of thought itself. Very few of us have explored the possibility that we are slaves to this process instead of it being our slave. In other words we have not delved into the enslaving nature of our own minds. Consider, we are being moved around by an incessant flow of ideas or concepts that we either ignore or play on. The barrage is constant and unceasing. By merely observing the thoughts (and they are coming and going at lightning speed) one's awareness is strengthened. We are not used to being aware of what's going on in our heads to the point that nothing escapes our notice. Again one must be extremely alert because the action is swift. This is how we begin to "know " ourselves. This is also how we become free because after we become familiar with the action and practice, in this awareness we begin to experience periods of no thought and yet we are still aware. It is the condition of awareness without thought that is so misunderstood and often feared by many who never experience it. They believe the mind is blank or that one is in some kind of trance. Not so. What happens is that a natural intelligence comes forward and perceives. The living quality of that perception is what we have been seeking. It is timeless and cannot be found through thought, dogma, or other people. It is the real foundation of religion. So to "know thyself" means to know the nature of your own mind , the one that is blinding you and, the one that sees clearly.
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Are You Still SEARCHING For The "Truth"?
by minimus infor many of us, we are "all searched out".
i'm presently, not looking for all that much.
are you yearning for "truth"?
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Since we are talking about "knowing ourselves", how would one begin ?
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Are You Still SEARCHING For The "Truth"?
by minimus infor many of us, we are "all searched out".
i'm presently, not looking for all that much.
are you yearning for "truth"?
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Part ABD7501 - (Audio) K with Prof. Bohm in 1975: 1. Reality, Actuality, and Truth
What is the relationship between reality, actuality, and truth. Anything that thought thinks about is in the realm of reality. Reality has no effect on truth. The act of seeing is placing reality where it belongs. A rational, sane person -- one who does not distort -- is living in truth. (A series of twelve discussions were held during 1975, between Krishnamurti and David Bohm, which explored not only Krishnamurti's teachings but also aspects of Krishnamurti's life and whether an unconditioned life is possible for an ordinary human being. These discussions were recorded in audio only.)
Publisher -KFA
Author/Editor -KF AmericaKRISHNAMURTI FOUNDATION OF AMERICA
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My trip to the Bethel library....
by logansrun intowards the middle of my eighteen-month critical investigation of the jws and the bible i decided to pay a visit to my sister and brother-in-law at the patterson bethel complex in new york.
perhaps it was a last-ditch effort to salvage whatever faith i had in the organization, or maybe it was the realization that i would not be able to see my sister under semi-normal conditions again if i left; i don't know.
of course, the trip did not save my crumbling faith.
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I found the same to be true at Bethel in Brooklyn. I was shocked to see some of the titles available to the casual reader. My impression was that the Brooklyn Administration did not get it, that is they had no depth of understanding. On the one hand they sounded the alarm but on the other hand they couldn't recognize disaster. The ideas in those books were far more threatning to WT faith than any church. But there they were. My conclusion was that it really didn't matter because JW,s were not serious about truth nor were they seekers. That insight was for me alone because in those days I could not share it with anyone.
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Favorite Quotations
by Lady Lee ini'm going to offer some of my favorite quotations.
- non wt related - what are yours?
"i learned that it is the weak who are cruel, and that gentleness is to be expected only from the strong.
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" IN RELIGION nothing fails like success." Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Sinuitis and a cure?
by jayhawk1 infor the past two months, i have been fighting one cold after another, but what seems to never leave is the burning in my nose and throat.
six days ago my doctor perscribed cephalexin 500mg (antibiotic), but so far i am still miserable.
while looking online, many websites want to sell their various cures, usually for about $35.00 us.
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As has been said, both the mucous build up and the bacteria have to be treated. For the mucous I use over the counter Mucinex (600 mg) which is nothing more than the expectorant called Guaifenesin, which has no known harmful side effects even over long term use. Use plenty of water throughout the day. For the bacteria I use over the counter Alkolol which is a combination of many healing and antiseptic oils. It is available from a pharmacy and is produced by The Alkalol Company, Taunton , Mass. USA. I usually put the Alkalol in an empty saline dispensor, relable it , and carry it with me to use throughout the day. When the sinuses become "Jammed up"(swollen) and I can't get the benifit of the Alklol, I will add over the counter Sudaphed Non Drying Sinus gels which has only Guaifenesin and Pseudoephedrine. Pseudoephedrine "shrinks" blood capillaries and prevents the swelling. I try to use the gels on an "as needed" basis and not long term. As has been said , it is important that the sinuses not dry out and that dietary considerations be observed as much as possible. I have improved at least 80% with this regimen. The only drawback is that Guaifenesin is a diuretic and because one is drinking plenty of water throughout the day one is urinating more frequently. If your a coffee drinker (another diuretic) the game gets really interesting. The regimen definitly is not for any one in the "door to door" work.