Posts by Siddhashunyata

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The Idea of God.

by Blueblades in

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the idea of god is either a fact,like sand,or a fantasy,like santa.. the idea of god has guided or deluded more lives,changed more history,inspired more music and poetry and philosophy than anything else,real or imagined.it has made more of a difference to human life on this planet,both individually and collectively,than anything else ever has.. to see this clearly for yourself,just try this thought experiment:.

suppose no one in history had ever conceived the idea of god.now,rewrite history following that premise.the task daunts and staggers the imagination.

.from the earliest human remains----- religious funeral artifacts-----to the most recent wars in the mideast,religion----belief in a god or gods----has been the mainspring of the whole watch that is human history.. if the idea of god is a fantasy,a human invention,it is the greatest invention of all human history.. there are only two possibilities,"to be or not to be",that is the question.. blueblades

Siddhashunyata

The idea of God is a result of the ability to "think" to "conceptualize". That process itself (thinking ) is the problem. If stopped , it cannot interfere with the perception of "what is". The perception of "what is" leads to an experience beyond expression because "what is" is infinite and absolute (and it is you). This experience has been "high jacked" by the "conceptualizers" and "bastardize-rs" into the plethora of ideas on which we are presently "choking".

Two puzzlements that can help one "conceptualize" why evidence of God can never exist are St Francis " What you are looking for is what is looking" and Allen Watts " Can the eye see itself? "

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You Knew The Score!

by Englishman in

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many years after i was df'd, i found myself at the end of a shunning campaign led by a robotic jw neighbour.. the neighbour had moved in next door to me.

he'd even borrowed some tools of mine before he discovered that i was an ex.

at this point he began a serious "i'm ignoring you" strategy which i found utterly hilarious as he was the one who had chosen to move in next door to me.

Siddhashunyata

Some time ago, on this board , we were discussing how the Watchtower hides behind the ST Amendment ( Free Speech, Freedom of Religion etc. ) here in the USA. The Government does not interfere with "church " rules and only enforces this amendment to the Constitution when you are "choosing " a religion. Once "inside" , you are on your own. It was suggested that a "full disclosure" requirement ,attached to this Amendment, would protect countless numbers of people from making a "religious " mistake.

The disclosure would be along the lines of informing people , while going from door to door, that certain lawsuits are pending or accomplished and that if the person were to become one of Jehovah's Witnesses( for example) he or she would be required to "give up" certain basic human ( expression of conscience) and civil rights (free speech etc.) Sadly, given the "mind control" techniques that have been developed in this century and what has become known about the human "psyche", enforcement of this idea is long over due in the USA.

Does anyone know of any country anywhere that has anything resembling a "full disclosure " law for religions that actively seek out new members.

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Is the idea of immortality in any way possible?

by logansrun in

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the traditional christian view of immortality hinges on some form of dualism -- the notion that your consciousness is not dependent on the brain and can survive the dissolution of the body.

modern science has not found any evidence for this whatsoever.

it seems rather likely that our consciousness and mental abilities are bound to our brains and their neuronal firings.

Siddhashunyata

How does the mind "see" color?

The brain , as observed, has an electro-chemical codes . The mind not only observes the codes it interprets them. The codes are "read" by the mind.

CONCLUSION!

The mind must have a "code dictionary". The nature of that dictionary is that it exists independent of the codes. Why so? Because codes do not "create" ideas they symbolize them. Therefore the idea comes first then the code for the idea . Implicit in this is the possibility of a world of "ideas". A world without "codes". Without physical brains.

This can best be understood by asking yourself...Where does "color" come from ? What is say , "red".

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Elders visits 2004 ???

by Siddhashunyata in

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last year ,at about this time, the board was discussing how elders would be coming around to ask "inactive ones" if they "considered themselves to be one of jehovah's witnesses ( entrapment question).

in light of the current wt studies on apostasy and the faithful and discreet slave, does anyone know if that program is set to operate again in 2004?

last year i had my visit in march.

Siddhashunyata

Last year ,at about this time, the board was discussing how Elders would be coming around to ask "inactive ones" if they "considered themselves to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses ( entrapment question). In light of the current WT studies on Apostasy and the Faithful and Discreet Slave, does anyone know if that program is set to operate again in 2004? Last year I had my visit in March.

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Just heard. About Micheal Jackson!

by ChimChim in

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not sure if this was already covered but i wanted to ask anyways.. i just heard about 20 minutes ago that this man thinks he is innocent because he "hypnotised" him and when people are hypnotised can't lie and they always tell the truth, and micheal said that nothing had happend that day, and they asked about something else to but i forget what it was for, something about why did he pay?

lol i cant remember.

i think it's alot of crap, i dont think he was hypnotised but i wasnt there so i wouldnt know!

Siddhashunyata

Nathan, by no means am I an apologist for Blavatsky or Annie Besant but it woiuld be worth while to do a search on these two and consider them in light of the times they were living. Understanding life is no easy thing. Some of their ideas were ahead of their time and they suffered dearly for them. No offense intended.

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What is more important to understand...

by Siddhashunyata in

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moral principles, doctrine , prophecy , ourselves ?

Siddhashunyata

SaintSaten, yes. That's why personal relationships (Marriage etc) are so difficult to maintain over time. Instead of "seeing" the other person "new" we see a "conditioned image" and that's the one we address and respond to. Conversely so do they.

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Disillusionment and Intellectual fertility -- Thank you WTBS

by Siddhashunyata in

thank you wtbts .

, you have been the womb for the developing embryo of our intellect.

you see, we had to go beyond you , beyond your chicanery.

Siddhashunyata

Thank you WTBTS . , you have been the womb for the developing embryo of our intellect. You see, we had to go beyond you , beyond your chicanery. We had to be disillusioned while in a state of sincere belief. While many of us have suffered because we really were believers, in the end, we have grown. We are no longer vulnerable to "belief systems". We know the importance of "self reliance" and questioning. This forum is growing richer and richer . It is intellectually fertile. It is your loss because you construed yourself as the fountainhead of "Knowledge" and removed yourself from the voice of those who were serving you. Now you listen in , not as a friend , but as a jealous adversary, intolerant of rivalry. People are talking and they don't need you. You could have made provision for them but you were dishonest and you insisted on your "Appointment" as God's mouthpiece. You really do need His help now because you are up against a host of insurgents and they are not ignorant. This forum is a real danger to you.

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Early Christian apocalypses

by Leolaia in

early christian apocalyses

i thought it would be a good idea to put together into a single thread all the early 1st.

cent.

Siddhashunyata

The general consensus on the board is that these writings were a natural outcome of the socio/cultural/technological atmosphere of the times ( 1st, 2nd, century). I don't want to sidetrack the thread but it may help to ask the question : what types of writings are going on today that are the equivalent of the apocalyptic writings in that they provide an answer ( and perhaps hope) to the " things" of this present time period? ( Perhaps another thread could go into this if the idea is to distracting .)

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Time Limit ----- Words.

by Blueblades in

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in various watchtower publications what follows are the time limit words used by the society to keep the rank and file in the fold.. very near.------just ahead -----happen soon -------on the horizen ----soon -----drawn near ------at the threshold ------shortly take place ----about to -------drawn close -----swifthly nearing ------reward is in sight ----time is fast running out ---a new world very near -----now as never before -----soon to be detroyed ----complete in our day -----.

now here is the clincher -------are you ready for the clincher ------does this mean before the turn of a new month, a new year,a new decade,a new century?

here is the clincher ---no human knows!!!.

Siddhashunyata

"THE TIME LEFT IS REDUCED ! "

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Has anyone ever personally written to the Society?

by seeitallclearlynow in

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i've been listening to marlene mercado's audio testimony on jwinfoline while reading and posting here today; and it reminded me that i had written to the society once, years ago, and i received a response.

the response made me angry with them, although they were agreeing with me on something that i was complaining about.

what made me angry was that they made no acknowledgment that they put a lot of pressure on the brothers to reach out and even after they have attained an office of oversight, a lot more pressure is put on the elders and servants to do more, do just so, etc....they claimed that it was my elder husband's own fault that he was barely ever home, and when he was, he was in his den or on the phone with someone who couldn't make any decisions on their own.

Siddhashunyata

I wrote a letter asking since Jesus was Michael , is it possible that he was proving two things at once . That both men and angels can be faithful. The response was basically a warning not to push ahead etc. etc. It was'nt too long before the idea showed up in the WT. I never wrote again except to ask their help when my "pioneer" wife left me. Their response was "boiler plate" but it was the rubber stamp at the bottom that got me the most ........"Your Brothers, Watchtower Bible & Tract Society"