Posts by silentlambs

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My Mother's Letter

by silentlambs in

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i recently got this letter from my mother, i thought i would share it to help see how this saga continues.

my parents are both regular pioneering as we speak.

have seen their grandchildren for about an hour in the last six months.

silentlambs

the following is a first draft of a return letter, any suggestions?

6-18-01

Dear mom,

I am sorry to hear my happiness is making you sick. It is simply amazing to me for you to write as you have after reviewing the video where you personally saw how the Watchtower organization lied about your son, looked at the website, saw well over one hundred stories of victims of child molestation, were personally told of the wicked and cruel treatment given by the Watchtower organization to your son and his family. I also pointed out how you have been repeatedly stabbed in the back by so called “brothers” and how you have no real friends, even in your own congregation. Then finally, when I explained, that in the past, doing what is morally and ethically wrong was making me sad and physically ill to the point of having to make a change. I now have to say if doing what is morally and ethically wrong with will make you happy and well, I am sorry I can’t comply. As I explained to you in person, I am happier and more at peace than I have ever been in my life. Why would I want to walk away from that?

I would encourage you to look in the dictionary for the word “unconditional”, hopefully it will help you to understand that threatening illness, family loss, accusations of prominence, threats of doom, condemnation of spouse, threats of God’s punishment, and complete disapproval, are generally not recognized as “unconditional” love.

I hope when you go to the convention this year the “dung in the face,” blood and guts descriptions given from the platform, of how Jehovah will kill people at Armageddon are easier to listen to than the real stories of little children whose lives have been destroyed as a result of Watchtower policy. I have difficulty understanding how listening graphically to how over six billion people will be ripped to pieces by Jehovah makes you feel good, yet hearing about how a few thousand of your fellow witnesses were molested makes you ill.

I wish you, dad and Melissa well and know that my love for you is not “conditioned” on how I believe. Sheila, myself, and the children’s arms are always open to you all. Though we are saddened you choose to make poor decisions in life, it never affects our desire to accept you as you are and look forward to the day when you want us to be part of the family.

I will always love you,

Your son

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OPERATION TALKING LAMBS

by silentlambs in

well finally it is done, a new brochure to freely distribute anywhere any time and you can simply download and print it off right from the website.

also several new posters you can print out and put up on local bulletin boards or any public place.

the lambs are speaking and wt is going to have to listen.

silentlambs

you appear to reply to what you do not know. a. i am not an apostate, i am a jw in "good standing" who is telling the truth. b.i encourage you to research and learn what wt policy actually is with regard to child molestation issues. the society and those who serve in high station within the organization know what i am saying to be true. i base my conclusions on my own personal experience in dealing with child molesters within the organization. when you learn the real "truth" it should move you to action to do something about it. that is the purpose of this thread. i have never accused all jw's of being child molesters, yet i do accuse all of supporting wt policy that allows children to be hurt. do you support child molesters going in the witnessing work? do you think the general public would approve? wt policy in its finest moment, yet you would not dare question wt policy. morally and ethically it is wrong to hurt children or provide pedophiles with further opportunity, if you cannot understand this you are not very humble.

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Dateline program?

by MoeJoJoJo in

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before i became a registered poster here, i was reading someone's post that mentioned an upcoming dateline program that was possibly dealing with the org.

can someone tell me if this is true and if it is when does it air, or did i already miss it?.

"plant your own garden and decorate your own soul, instead of waiting for someone to bring you flowers.

silentlambs

yes the dateline program is true and being filmed as we speak. as far as when it will air all i can say is soon. i am to be informed ahead of time and you can be sure everyone will be informed as soon as i know. this story will ari and the longer it goes, the better it gets.

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OPERATION TALKING LAMBS

by silentlambs in

well finally it is done, a new brochure to freely distribute anywhere any time and you can simply download and print it off right from the website.

also several new posters you can print out and put up on local bulletin boards or any public place.

the lambs are speaking and wt is going to have to listen.

silentlambs

it is on the front page under the "brochures and posters" button at the top of the page. also when pulling up the brochure, you may be prompted for a password, just hit cancel and the brochures will come up. then all you need to do is hit print and it will print on your printer.

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OPERATION TALKING LAMBS

by silentlambs in

well finally it is done, a new brochure to freely distribute anywhere any time and you can simply download and print it off right from the website.

also several new posters you can print out and put up on local bulletin boards or any public place.

the lambs are speaking and wt is going to have to listen.

silentlambs

well finally it is done, a new brochure to freely distribute anywhere any time and you can simply download and print it off right from the website. also several new posters you can print out and put up on local bulletin boards or any public place. the lambs are speaking and wt is going to have to listen. if you want to help and believe what we are doing is right i encourage you to get involved and make this known in your local community. if the newspapers ignore you as many have, you now have a way to do something in this regard. it forces the witnesses to face this issue and find a way to defend wt policy. when they come to know it, they hopefully will finally see the truth of how children are being hurt. i recently put brochures on the bulletin board at wal-mart, the mall, waiting rooms, and it felt good to be getting the word out. this is a volunteer effort but if you really want to let your local area know about this, you now have another way to speak out on this issue. as many may know we also have local ads you can run in the classified of your newspaper.

when you download the brochure or posters just take it to your local copy shop and then for a fairly low cost you can print it up on color paper, black and white and you are off and running.

bear in mind we now are in the primary part of district convention season. posters can be taken to a local print shop and made much larger for a very low cost $20-$50 and be reuseable. if you choose to do something at conventions i just ask you be kind and stay away from being antagonistic. we want to help all see the problem so action will be taken to protect children and the way we conduct ourselves lends to our message.

i call this "operation talking lambs" or otl, let's see how long wt can stay a silentlamb before addressing this issue. your help with otl makes it hard for them to get away with it anymore. no more silentlambs.....

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My Mother's Letter

by silentlambs in

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i recently got this letter from my mother, i thought i would share it to help see how this saga continues.

my parents are both regular pioneering as we speak.

have seen their grandchildren for about an hour in the last six months.

silentlambs

i recently got this letter from my mother, i thought i would share it to help see how this saga continues. my parents are both regular pioneering as we speak. have seen their grandchildren for about an hour in the last six months. what more can i say, please read.

6-14-01

dear son,
while i wish you happiness, i am having health problems now from your decision to be at odds with jehovah's organization, and when you said you didn't feel it was neccessary to talk to jehovah everyday once a week would be enough. that really hurt. becaues i remember when you loved to talk to jehovah everyday. he is so kind and helps so much. i would never want to live a day without telling him how much i appreciate the things he does for us each day to just help us live and breath. i will always love you "unconditionally" but i truly feel you have been decieved by apostates and i feel when they are done using you, they will hurt you beyond description. the pain of, or fear of, that, is causing me so much stress, i am having headaches and pains in my stomach. i feel you have lost the common sense you used to have and are driven by a desire to be somebody, which will never happen in the world you have chosen to live in. when you build your life around negative stories as horrible as child abuse there's never anything to laugh about any more. there's no joy or feelings of happy times. "happy are those conscious of their spiritual need." if you don't feel a need to be with jehovah there will be no real happiness, it will only be a mirage that will fade when you reach for it and need it most. i feel someday you will wish you had never taken this course. when that day comes, me, your father, and sister will be there with open arms. i don't always listen to what people say. i just watch their eyes. it's hard for eyes to not show the truth. i didn't see peace and happiness in you, your son or daughters eyes, only in your wife, i feel she see's the mirage and someday she will find those new friends are saying things behind her back that really hurts. this is what i feel. anyway, right now, for my health's sake, i have to not hear about child abuse and your feelings about the organization. it hurts to much and i have to find a way to survive. i will always love you.
mom

well what can i say, it appears now i am killing my mother. as i read these words it made me feel sad. sad for my parents who in the twilight of their lives spend all their time offering literature and missing so much of life. who make themselves sick worrying about me their son. a son who has never asked them for a dime, never been in trouble, married for 18 years with two wonderful children. they have so much, yet it means nothing to them due to wt dogma. my children deserve better, are there any grandparents looking for some nice grandchildren to adopt? you know, to visit with, share your life with, and let them know they are special. my children have never known this from their jw grandparents. the wt it seems takes everything and gives little in return.

why did i post this? to help others see what happens when you do what is morally and ethically right and how you are treated, even by your own mother. as far as how to respond to the letter i have nothing to offer, how can you answer reasoning such as this? i am certainly open to suggestons.

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I Got An Email From A "Brother"

by silentlambs in

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first email........ yes, don't be a silentlamb.

speak out when people are doing the.

molesting, not years later.. that is ridiculous for an adult to say that when they were a child, someone molested her/him.

silentlambs

first email.......

Yes, don't be a silentlamb. Speak out WHEN people are doing the
molesting, not years later.

That is ridiculous for an adult to say that when they were a child, someone molested her/him. Children are not traumatized by that. It is the parents and law enforcement and social workers who tell them that they should be and must be traumatized by that.
_________________________________________________________________

second email......

It is ridiculous for people to complain to and about the organization
for what another has done. It is even more ridiculous when there is only one witness for an INCIDENT. It is even more ridiculous when that person complaining is the one responsible for it. TELL THESE PEOPLE THAT THEY SHOULD NOT BE PUTTING THEMSELVES OR OTHERS IN POSITIONS TO WHERE THEY COULD BE MOLESTED. Does not the organization say that people should not be alone together?

It is ridiculous to say that an elder molested this person. AN ELDER OR ANYONE SHOULD NOT BE ALONE WITH ANYONE'S CHILDREN BUT HIS OWN. So hey, if it happens the people put him up to it.

It is a great policy that they need two witnesses to do anything. In fact they should have proof of more than testimony of complainers. Did you know that there are many people convicted of crimes by the testimony of complaintants alone? And that they are innocent. Some have been exonerated by DNA evidence. This policy is from the Bible because Jehovah realized that people in their complaints are wrong just as they complained about him.

It is a great policy that they don't report things to the police as the police can only mess things up. I would not report anything to the police even if someone molested my wife. The police are the molesters.
_________________________________________________________________

i recieved these two emails a few days ago. i am sure this "brother" is giving an opinion that certain misguided ones hold dear. how can you help people like this? if you would like to reason with him, his email is [email protected] i personally do not think you will make much progress.

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Convention Apostatizing Brings Gestapo Response

by outnfree in

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my flyers merely said: if as a jehovahs witness, a member of your family has been molested information is available for further information see: www.silentlambs.org or call 1-877-wtabuse.. nothing overtly inflammatory, actually more like a public service announcement.. i guess thats what most of the local organizers and friends thought in my neck of the, woods for the first two days of the district convention!

but once the 'friends' realized that the website i was promoting with my flyers and moving car billboard was not an approved wt site, the powers that be got ... well ... pissed is the word!.

nobody bothered me on friday as i went smiling about my posting flyers on the light and utility poles on the routes to/from the convention site.

silentlambs

did your efforts accomplish anything?

sat-mon
300+ hits on the website
40+ calls to the hotline 877-wtabuse
6 new stories on victims page

i thought it was courious at the bump in activity, now i know the reason why. it is funny as last year i was the parking overseer and pulled about 1000 tony alamo flyers off car windows before the session let out. how life changes. as i remember when the society has a property rented it is like a rent house they have control of the property and grounds. outside of that, they were way out of line, it was just simple intimidation. from the sound of your story it did not seem to work. i know at some conventions, areas are designated as protest areas in close proxcimity to the entrance of most conventions, the city could be petitioned as to where these areas are. if you choose to go this route in the future all i could ask is that you be kind and respectful, keep away from inflamitory remarks verbally or written as it will no doubt be used against you to try and get the rank and file to not listen. as i have stated on several occasions, by any means necessary the public must be exposed to this issue to force wt to change their policy and protect children.

thank you for your courage and efforts in behalf of children.

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Watchtower Lies Hurt Victims

by silentlambs in

if you read the 97 watchtower cited below you are given the impression that a child molester who is known(that is confessed) would never have privileges in the congregation arrangement.

is that really the case?

in a conversation with the service department it was plainly stated to me personally that a child molester could re-qualify again after a long period of time had passed.

silentlambs

yadrif,
you may have a great career working for wt pr. perhaps you are already doing so. your propensity to look at a well established fact among jw's and twist it to another meaning clearly smacks of not being entirely honest.

i guess you were one of the folks who believes bill clinton told the truth when he said, "i did not have sex with that woman." to about everyone else in the world when it was found out what he clearly did, he was called a liar. yes, it was a play on words to present a dishonest conclusion. this is much the same in your needless picking of words with the 97 wt article. the truth of the matter shines clearly, that is, the wt was dishonest and did misrepresent its actual intent when it comes to using child molesters for added responsibility.

that is the truth, deep down you know it, as does anyone one else that looks at this material.

you of course have the right to believe bill clinton and the wt both never told a lie, but i do not think the vast majority of people will agree with your conclusions.

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Watchtower Lies Hurt Victims

by silentlambs in

if you read the 97 watchtower cited below you are given the impression that a child molester who is known(that is confessed) would never have privileges in the congregation arrangement.

is that really the case?

in a conversation with the service department it was plainly stated to me personally that a child molester could re-qualify again after a long period of time had passed.

silentlambs

in response to yadirf,

i do not think a persons drivers license loss in any way compares to the actions of a child molester. a traffic violation can be lived down, a molested child is hurt for life. for wt to not define this clearly, in the banner article, on the long waited for stand on child molesters, smacks clearly of untruthfulness.

perhaps the best way to determine this would be to ask any rank and file witness if a child molester could ever be used in the congregation. the only answer would be an absolute NO! this being from the way the article was written. the basis of my judgement in this matter is because of that perception. if wt had of indicated they could be later used again, what is the point of the article? it would have been irrelevant. after any brother or sister considered that article they believed that they would never have a confessed child molester in an appointed capacity. your perception may be differant, but it in no way defends the position the wt sold to its members with that article. my purpose is not to try and convince you, but instead to help the rank and file to see they were sold a bill of goods that do not match up with what elders are told to do privately. sadly, it is to late when members find the hard way the way wt policy actually works.