don’t know how i ended up here but no one who understands will listen, or any one who will listen doesn’t understand.
i grew up in the “truth”, i was baptised at 17 as it was encouraged by the elders.
i really didn’t understand what i was getting into.
Hi Damaged
Welcome to the forum. You certainly have been, and are, going through a torrid time.
Excellent advice has been given and use from it what will be most beneficial to your situation.
Just remember that the folk on this forum will always be here to offer support and guidance, and will listen when you feel the need to vent your frustration(s).
i recently had a discussion with a jw concerning a change in wording of a scripture - in fact this was my all time favourite scripture, namely, micah 6:8.. my view is that the wtbts have deliberately changed the wording and meaning of the said scripture.
the other person is of the opinion that that is not the case.
micah 6:8.
Thanks for your posts folks.
I'll definitely have to research this further.
i recently had a discussion with a jw concerning a change in wording of a scripture - in fact this was my all time favourite scripture, namely, micah 6:8.. my view is that the wtbts have deliberately changed the wording and meaning of the said scripture.
the other person is of the opinion that that is not the case.
micah 6:8.
I recently had a discussion with a JW concerning a change in wording of a scripture - in fact this was my all time favourite scripture, namely, Micah 6:8.
My view is that the WTBTS have deliberately changed the wording and meaning of the said scripture. The other person is of the opinion that that is not the case.
Micah 6:8
1984 translation reads; "He has told you, O earthling man, what is good. And what is Jehovah asking back from you but to exercise justice and to love kindness and to be modest in walking with your God."
2013 translation (Silver Sword) reads; "He has told you, O man, what is good. And what is Jehovah requiring of you? Only to exercise justice, to cherish loyalty, And to walk modesty with your God!
So I'm asking what is your view? Am I right, or is the other person right?
Sammy: ... Hey Mark bro, we've got the best seats in the house
Mark: ... yeah, and all the suckers are paying for it ... lol.
just seen this on exjw reddit - sickening beyond belief!.
long story short, we have not seen hubbys non identical twin nephews (jeremey and jerome) since we gave the middle finger to the jw's 7 or 8 years ago.
we last saw our nephews when they were 9 or 10ish.
Thank you to all for your responses and personal experiences. It really is a sad state of affairs that a supposedly 'religious organisation' can have such a detrimental affect on family life.
UPDATE: This is how a church is supposed to work.
Thank you everyone for your support.
I have no idea how the hell the lawyer from our UU congregation did it, I feel like the fewer questions we ask right now, the better.
But our day started at 5:30am with him calling us at home telling us we needed to be at the county courthouse with boys by 7:30am (hour drive for us) because we had an emergency court hearing in front of a family court judge. Hubby tried asking him what the hell, it hasn't even been 24 hours and Alan simply told him "when your in the court with 8-10 hours a day with different judges, you know who to ask for help when something like this comes up." Not looking a gift horse in the mouth....we went. We were the 2nd/3rd case called up, and hubby and I spilled everything from the last 24 hours and we walked out with Judge signed legal guardianship papers.
By the time the four of us, still kinda shell shocked, pull up at home-The kids (our 12 and 10 year old) were sitting in the living room with our pastor and a couple others from church ready to ask us what room were the boys going to be staying in and they were willing to help us move shit out/around. We hadn't thought that far ahead, but once we told them we'd love the basement fixed up for them (unlike the guest room they slept in last night, it does have a couple windows down there) and now...10 members from our church are here, hauling shit out to the dump, cleaning and vaccuming.
Hubby and I are calling a couple furniture stores to get them a beds (should be delivered late this afternoon) and we might have found a couple dressers at a local thrift store, and a desk for them. As soon as a couple folks get back with the last load to the dump with a pickup truck, we're going to meet them over at the thrift store to see about the dressers and a couple other pieces of furniture.
One of the members of church, a foster parent-got in touch with her contacts after finding out what sizes the twins wear-will be back in about 20 minutes or so with at least 3 or 4 large trash bags of very gently loved clothing for us to go through to see what fits/doesn't fit.
We've already got a phone call that has set up meeting with the DSHS regarding TANF and snap benefits tomorrow afternoon (another thing that happened WAY faster than we thought it would, but we're not going to ask the how right now, just show up with all the paper work in hand.)
Meanwhile, we've got two 17 year old boys sitting in our living room, shell shocked. They both commented last year when a sister's house caught on fire and she needed help getting everything cleaned up, unless she paid them they weren't going to lift a finger-and here they are, with an aunt and uncle that hasn't seen them in almost a decade, who belong to a UU congregation...who are bending over back wards to help strangers....
I gave them both hugs and said "Boys....what your seeing here....that's how a Church is supposed to work. We help each other out."
It's taking a while...hubby is playing phone tag with his health insurance company to get the boys added on so we can get a referral to a therapist for them. While I have the better insurance, it sadly only covers me (sucks, I know)
Meanwhile, hubby has tried to reach out to his brother. Our pastor had a hard time believing they would just toss the boys out like that...but once his brother and sister in law were put on speaker phone and he heard them rash talk their own boys (and me, and our kids....) using very colorful language.....lets just say the pastor and the few church members who heard it were like "Yea...be glad your here...not there..."
https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/8nivc2/update_family_issuesthis_is_how_a_church_is/
just seen this on exjw reddit - sickening beyond belief!.
long story short, we have not seen hubbys non identical twin nephews (jeremey and jerome) since we gave the middle finger to the jw's 7 or 8 years ago.
we last saw our nephews when they were 9 or 10ish.
Just seen this on Exjw Reddit - sickening beyond belief!
Long story short, we have not seen hubbys non identical twin nephews (Jeremey and Jerome) since we gave the middle finger to the JW's 7 or 8 years ago. We last saw our nephews when they were 9 or 10ish. Memory little hazy here. They are now 16, and will be 17 in November. Since we left, hubbys side of the family (and mine) cut off contact with EVERYONE. Like, we are non persons to them.
I have tried to reach out to mine and his nieces and nephews over the years, only to be blocked at every turn.
Well, the oldest twin boys, just ending their sophomore year of High school, according to what we have pieced together, sneaked down stairs to the living room last night and watched the A&E documentary.
This morning, my brother in law and his wife asked them what they were watching on TV-they are SUPER TRIPLE STRICT with the kids. Like....not allowed to date even at 16 without mom and/or dad there. Curfew on a non school night is 7pm. Curfew on a school night is 5pm. Sheltered as holy fuck.
No TV period, unless it's like the arts channel that shows ballet dancing and selections from various operas or the hallmark channel. ONLY. The end. That kind of parents.
Long story short, the boys fess up they don't want to be JW's anymore. Huge, massive blow up happens at the breakfast table. This, from what I've been told, is the tail end of the boys trying to make an exit from the church, trying to buy as much time as they could until they could get on their feet. The A&E thing, them watching and the blow up....was just....the last straw.
Next thing we know, hubby is getting a call at 6:30 am our time (his brother lives about 1000 miles from us) saying he and his wife have kicked the boys out of their home and he dropped them off at the nearest gray hound bus station and we need to come collect them.
Fast forward 10 hours. A criminal attorney at our church whose wife is an ex JW- helped us get the proper papers done on a whim (guess he knew the right people to talk to...at this point, I'm not asking how the fuck he pulled off power of attorney or whatever the hell these papers are called out of his ass in a matter of 3 or 4 hours.) Hubbys brother did give us the courtesy of telling us which gray hound bus station the boys got dropped off at, but he refused to buy them tickets anywhere.
I tried calling some of my family-and hubbys family while he called the attorney and tried to get a hold of the boys-and the too long didn't read version of it-the boys are evil fucking bastards who, as hubbys mom put it “does not love Jehovah and is not worthy of his love any longer.”
SO.....fast forward to 6 pm on a Weds night night, hubby, me, our 2 kids are driving to the amtrack train station 45 minutes away after figuring out where the twins were, getting them a cab to the train station, paying for 2 one way tickets to get them here to us. The boys have been able to borrow a cell phone for a few minutes every couple hours to call us. Sobbing, upset and confused....and not sure why we're so willing to welcome them with open arms when their family turned their backs on them.
https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/8ndvl9/it_happenedae_caused_a_melt_down_with_hubbys/
i haven't seen this posted.. tuesday may 29, 2018 @ 10pm (new york time zone).
cults and extreme belief - jehovah's witnesses.
@ StoneWall
Thanks for the link - really appreciate it.
i haven't seen this posted.. tuesday may 29, 2018 @ 10pm (new york time zone).
cults and extreme belief - jehovah's witnesses.
I'm in the UK. Is there anyway of being able to watch this programme without falling foul of copyright laws?
i don't remember seeing it ever really talked about here but the facebook group with the namesake of this post shut down at the end of march.
it was archived and they weren't clear as to when or if they would come back.
it seemed to come out of nowhere, and i know a lot of people were disappointed.
I too would like to express my thanks to Simon and his wife for providing this platform. In fact, this was the very first EXJW website I looked at. Despite the fact that I was into my second year of fading, I must admit that I was quite anxious about looking at this website - I guess that the FOG still had a grip on me.
This website opened my eyes to what was really going on within the WTBTS - the 10 year hidden UN NGO membership was the clincher for me. Although I do not consider myself to be religious anymore, Luke 8:17 rings true: For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open - New International Version.
well, the title says it all.
the dutch government will look into the possibility to revoke the charity status of jw after they refused to cooperate in the child abuse scandal.. the government urged the jw to start an independent investigation into the jw child abuse issues, and after some stalling the jw flatout refused.
unfortunately the government can't really force them.. the chance that the charity status is actually revoked is very small as there appears to be no legal basis to do so, but right now the government and house of representatives are very annoyed with jw.. and in the meantime the da will continue their investigation based on the victims officially reporting abuse to the police..
Great post Gorby!
Due to their track history being exposed, I say that the WTBTS should lose their 'charity' status in every country where they are registered as such.
