Posts by jhine

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JW Obession with the trinity

by Riley in

so a few years i watched a lecture series by a man named dr. micheal heiser called the two powers in heaven, jesus in the old testament.

funny thing was it wasn't even very evangelical in nature, so i turned off my religious binders and just watched it like a regular person.

it turns out that the new testament is a hinge point in the bible.

jhine

Truth I'm really not sure about that. Loving your neighbour as yourself is the second most important command and that comes from Jesus .

1 John says

" we know that we have passed from death to life because we love each other ........ dear children let us not love with words or speech but with actions and truth. ......

This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set out hearts at rest in His presence. "

So we can't be horrible to people and get a free pass by just saying the right thing.

As to the Trinity , yes some of the Early Church Fathers believed that when OT people said that they had seen God because the Bible says that no one has seen the Father then they must have seen God the Son .

One of them wrote a whole article on this called something like " A Conversation with Trypho a Jew . " in which he has a conversation with the said ( imaginary ) Trypho about the sightings of God in the OT .

Jan

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More money and meeting with 3 elders

by Foolednomore in

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so, we had this meeting with 3 elders ( larry, moe and curly) my uncle who is the lawyer sat in the room and stayed quiet, and fact for 40 minutes we let them talk.

we would just sit there.

they went into along winded monolog about how the world is in bad shape and getting worst.

jhine

Rattigan what questions should he have asked ?

Jan

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UK Tax cut for the wealthiest

by BettyHumpter in

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jhine

So what do you really think Punky ? 🤣🤣no need to sugar coat among friends.

Jan

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UK Tax cut for the wealthiest

by BettyHumpter in

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jhine

These measures were only implemented a few days ago , no where near enough time to see how effective they may or may not be.

Yes it could be a disaster ( Darling ) but any economic changes need time to settle in .

If this were a Labour government implementing some controversial measures then Labour supporters would be saying ' give it time ' .

For me the clue is in the title Opposition Party . Whichever party is in power and even if they are doing a good job ( ? !!) then the Opposition will oppose , it's their job . So l find it very difficult to take any ranting seriously, it's what they are there to do .

Time will tell

Jan

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Babylon the Great and the last Pope

by mikeflood in

what do you guys think of the evangelicals theory about babylon the great and the last pope...just starting this big book out of curiosity...like 500 pages...it seems there is a lot of different thinking from the borg.

jhine

Mike to answer your question l don't think much of it . I see no point in any group trying to work these things out. You would think that they would learn from all the other failed guesses .

Are these American Evangelicals ?

Jan

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Why are so many Jehovah’s Witnesses Angry and Rude?

by Vanderhoven7 in

why do you think many jws are hostile and rude?

or is that just my imagination?.

mark jones writes: the vast majority of jehovah’s witnesses are nice people.

jhine

I wouldn't label myself " a born again " Christian because it seems to be an American label and unfortunately tends to conjure up a picture of religious nutters .

I am a Christian ( have l ever mentioned that? ) . I don't feel angry , don't like everyone but we aren't told to , just love them , and don't feel the need to be defensive. As Vanderhoven said most , for want of a better word , ordinary Christians are pretty happy people . We should be .

I often hear the saying " hate the sin but love the sinner "

I think that JWs are taught to hate and ignore persistent sinners because that label is often given to people who have rejected the Org . Leaders are obviously worried that the light will spread infecting others. So divide and conquer seems to be the strategy.

Jan

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If not the WT/JW relgion where else are 'we' to go? Why not atheistic/scientific philosophical naturalism?

by Disillusioned JW in

sometimes jws wonder if the wt/jw is not the truth, 'then where else are we to go?

' i say 'why not atheistic/scientific philosophical naturalism and why not a secular philosophy which teaches a way of life?

' what do you folks say?.

jhine

I haven't read through all the original posts and this was probably mentioned.

The correct , Biblical question is to WHOM would we go ?

The WT changed it to stress their position of being Jehovah's only mouthpiece on earth.

Jan

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Latest Watchtower tells THE TRUTH!!

by BoogerMan in

the sheeple have always been indoctrinated to think of themselves as witnesses for jehovah.. but the 8m followers of the jw governing body are now told a biblical truth - that they are witnesses for jesus!.

december 2022 study watchtower, p.21, par.

17 = "one of the primary reasons why satan wages war against god’s people is that they “have the work of bearing witness concerning jesus.” (rev.

jhine

Rattigan , I'm not sure how JWs preach Jesus . I rarely hear Witnesses mention Him . It's Jehovah this and Jehovah that .

Punk I'm sure that you know that the Orgs version of the Trinity is nothing like Christendom's Trinity.

We don't believe that Jesus was Michael so a huge difference. If a Witness could actually explain where that comes from l would be interested to find out .

Jan

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Latest Watchtower tells THE TRUTH!!

by BoogerMan in

the sheeple have always been indoctrinated to think of themselves as witnesses for jehovah.. but the 8m followers of the jw governing body are now told a biblical truth - that they are witnesses for jesus!.

december 2022 study watchtower, p.21, par.

17 = "one of the primary reasons why satan wages war against god’s people is that they “have the work of bearing witness concerning jesus.” (rev.

jhine

The word Jehovah does not appear in the New Testament .

The WT inserted it to support their teaching .

The Churches of Christendom preach the Trinity so equating Jesus with Jehovah.

Jan

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UN and Governing Body and an accounting

by AnnaNana in

joseph and mary were not in a spiritually adulterous relationship with the roman authorities, the "legs of iron".

joseph and mary were not perfect.

the governing body of the modern-day organization of jehovah's witnesses is not perfect.

jhine

Joao , Punk's correct . I asked direct questions requiring direct answers and didn't get them. You won't either .

Anna does seem very very confused on where she stands regarding the Org.

Punk may well be right about her needing help .

Anna if you read this please seek out someone, not a JW , who you can talk to about your issues . Particularly the abuse that you mentioned.

Jan