Posts by jhine

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My Meetings With Two Elders Today, "I am not a Christian and I am going to Die!"

by ÁrbolesdeArabia in

hi, my time is drawing ever closer as i can no longer speak lies about the organization and all the past revisions and my sins i committed against everyone i judged while serving on judicial committees.

i lay awake at night with guilt because i ask jehovah and his son jesus christ to forgive me for being so judgemental, self assured and arrogant at certain times in my life.

i was not a prince of peace, at times i was a coward when i was first appointed because i wanted to keep all things peaceful with my peers, not with my heavenly father and saviour jesus christ.

jhine

Arbolesde , you asked me a question on another thread about why the WT. does not attack Muslims , which I have answered . From my answer you will see that I feel that the WT. is not a true Christian org to say the least . I have never been a JW. so I am not qualified to comment on how you feel now , I can't imagine the rage , disappointment , sorrow etc that you must be feeling . I just want to say that you mentioned Jesus and His love , please hang onto that , do not lose faith in Yaweh just because of these people . I really feel ( and others also ) that the WT. just kept people from a personal relationship with Jesus and Yaweh by putting itself in the place of Jesus as intermediary between God and man .

PLease keep reading your bible , maybe a different one from the NWT which is doctored and find your own faith solely from scripture . God bless you

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How exactly did Jesus fulfill the law NOT the prophecies.

by mP in

theres a clear difference between prophecies (predictions of future events) and laws(stuff you should and shouldnt do).. now since xians always says jesus fullfilled the law, how does one fullfill a bunch of requirements like dont murder, dont worship idols, shave your beard like this etc.. there are 613 laws in the torah, jewish rabbis have done all the hard work and we have a nice list on wiki.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/613_mitzvot.

im confused which of those some how select a unique individual to be the unique messiah ?

then again there were many messiahs, every king and priest of israel and judea was a messiah.

jhine

mp , If I wish to believe in the Trinity ,thats my choice , but believing this based on a few verses is unacceptable , to who ? to you , then don't believe . Why should I worry that you find it unacceptable , you seem to take a lot on yourself deciding what is unacceptable , I find it very acceptable , is your veiw more valid than mine ?

You like words used as they should be

LIE : the Concise Oxford dictionary defines lie as "an intentional false statement " now if I believe what I am saying how is that a lie according to the proper use of the word . I , in no way make INTENTIONAL false statements , I say what my beliefs are . If a doctor looks at an x ray and believes that it shows a fracture is he lying at that moment if it turns out later to not be a fracture ?

You say that you like to be exact but then you say that God only wishes to help the Jews , is not the whole purpose of Christs death to bring the possibility of salvation to the whole world ?

Please try to be more exact in your accusations .

You use the old atheist argument of genocide , have you now had chance to look at the thread about this subject , or like many atheists will you not bother because you just want to diss God and not actually find out about Him and His dealings with His creation ?

ON other threads you have put words into my posts that were not there like when you seemed to think that I had said that Christ had offspring , which I had not said . I stated that Christ was the offspring of Mary . When I questioned where your rebuttel had come from , you gave no answer , so please only attribute to me what I actually say , so that you can be accurate as you say you like to be .

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THE REAL REASON WHY THE WATCHTOWER NEVER WRITES ABOUT ISLAM OR MUSLIMS IS FEAR!

by ÁrbolesdeArabia in

for a religion that claims to be "fearless and bold" the watchtower has avoided writing about islam and muslim practices and how they are part of babylon the great.

the attacks on christendom are not a bold move because the "tower" and "gb" know the christian church is not going to send a suicide bomber into a kingdom or district convention.

it's not fair to christendom to receive all the hate speech from the "leaning tower of brooklyn", why don't they write the truth about islam?

jhine

Perry , I agree completely with your statement about Christ alone being the way to salvation , sorry I did not explain myself well .

ArbolesdeArabia (what a moniker , where does it come from ) perhaps Perry's post helped a little to explain . Jesus is the only way to salvation and the Watchtower seems to me to have been set up for people who want to feel that they are obeying Jehovah , but it serves to side track them from Christ as the sole means of salvation , they end up looking to the org for their future hope . If as I suspect , and it does seem that others agree the real power behind the WT. is evil , its purpose is served by deflecting people from Christ and knowing Him as He truly is . So the power behind the org is not bothered if people are Hindu , Muslim , Sikh or whatever as long as they do not have relationship with Christ . So the org only tries to scare its members off from Christendom as that seem to me to be its true intent .

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THE REAL REASON WHY THE WATCHTOWER NEVER WRITES ABOUT ISLAM OR MUSLIMS IS FEAR!

by ÁrbolesdeArabia in

for a religion that claims to be "fearless and bold" the watchtower has avoided writing about islam and muslim practices and how they are part of babylon the great.

the attacks on christendom are not a bold move because the "tower" and "gb" know the christian church is not going to send a suicide bomber into a kingdom or district convention.

it's not fair to christendom to receive all the hate speech from the "leaning tower of brooklyn", why don't they write the truth about islam?

jhine

o.k. totally different perpesctive , yes all of the above but if as some believe the Watchtower is run by evil then maybe they don't mind people being Muslim or Sikh etc ( do they attack Buddists or Hindus in the same way as Christendom , because those religions aren't likely to send bombers ) . NO maybe they attack Christendom because the real leaders of the Watchtower know that that is the true way to salvation .

I know that this maybe off the wall but what do others think ?

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New light Watchtower magazine leaked from organization weeks ahead of general release

by cedars in

http://jwsurvey.org/governing-body-2/new-light-watchtower-magazine-leaked-from-organization-weeks-ahead-of-general-release.

if doctrinal explanations are missing from the article, it is because they are also missing from the magazine.. i would like to give my thanks again to my source for supplying me with the magazine article weeks ahead of its scheduled release.

it showed remarkable courage, because risks were taken.

jhine

I have not read every post ,so forgive if duplicating please . I have been pondering the prophecy about the U.N. destroying false religion . Doesn't the Watchtower teach that the u.n. is the Whore of Babylon , so why would the u.n. be the one to destroy false religion ? I must be missing something here , can someone enlighten me please .

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How exactly did Jesus fulfill the law NOT the prophecies.

by mP in

theres a clear difference between prophecies (predictions of future events) and laws(stuff you should and shouldnt do).. now since xians always says jesus fullfilled the law, how does one fullfill a bunch of requirements like dont murder, dont worship idols, shave your beard like this etc.. there are 613 laws in the torah, jewish rabbis have done all the hard work and we have a nice list on wiki.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/613_mitzvot.

im confused which of those some how select a unique individual to be the unique messiah ?

then again there were many messiahs, every king and priest of israel and judea was a messiah.

jhine

mp , as you will just say that any evidence presented is wilully misconstrued by Christians or plain outright lies , I see no further point in trying to debate , only to be called names . You have obviously made up your mind on the subject and are not wanting to budge . O.k. that is your God given right and bless you that you have certainties to hold onto , many do not . Am I allowed to ask if you have any religious background by which you judge the beliefs of others ? I do not in any way wish to give offence , I feel that I must walk on eggshells now , but as I said before am curious as to where you come from in your views . It is fairly obvious that I am a Trinitarian believing Christian , and I make no appologies for that . I feel that you know much more about me than I know about you .

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How exactly did Jesus fulfill the law NOT the prophecies.

by mP in

theres a clear difference between prophecies (predictions of future events) and laws(stuff you should and shouldnt do).. now since xians always says jesus fullfilled the law, how does one fullfill a bunch of requirements like dont murder, dont worship idols, shave your beard like this etc.. there are 613 laws in the torah, jewish rabbis have done all the hard work and we have a nice list on wiki.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/613_mitzvot.

im confused which of those some how select a unique individual to be the unique messiah ?

then again there were many messiahs, every king and priest of israel and judea was a messiah.

jhine

mp , o.k. enough said

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What is the role of the rest of the Anointed,please ?

by Phizzy in

i am a little confused, i have to admit it is laziness/nausea, i cannot make myself read the latest rag that spews out the new shite, but my question is, what is the future role of the rest of the anointed ?.

if the fds, which now consists of a handful of men, is going to be "appointed over all jesus' belongings" are the rest of the anointed not only redundant now, but into eternity too ?.

jhine

Please do that Phizzy , it would be most helpful . In the meantime I will ask the my friends who are witnesses the above question . Not being a witness I don't have to worry about ruffling feathers .

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Differences Between JWs in the US and Europe

by BU2B in

jw
friends

there are many cultural differences between the general population of the us and europe, what about jws?

i have heard about such things as beards being allowed, movies that a jw cant watch in the us or would be frowned upon watching being ok, same with tv shows, and even the way they dress in public.

seems more laid back over there if this is true.. any truth to this?

jhine

Black sheep , just contorting in front of a mirror to check the first part of your post !!!! Thanks for the advice will certainly try .

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How exactly did Jesus fulfill the law NOT the prophecies.

by mP in

theres a clear difference between prophecies (predictions of future events) and laws(stuff you should and shouldnt do).. now since xians always says jesus fullfilled the law, how does one fullfill a bunch of requirements like dont murder, dont worship idols, shave your beard like this etc.. there are 613 laws in the torah, jewish rabbis have done all the hard work and we have a nice list on wiki.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/613_mitzvot.

im confused which of those some how select a unique individual to be the unique messiah ?

then again there were many messiahs, every king and priest of israel and judea was a messiah.

jhine

mp , sorry that you see my attempt ! at humour as being pathetic , though it has been said before that my jokes are pathetic . Not trying to divert attention just genuinely interested in what makes you tick , is that wrong ? I really see no point in continuing on this thread cus as I have said elsewhere we are simply never going to see eye to eye on, possilbly, any issue , and I just seem to make your blood boil which can't be good for your health . No, no sarcasism intented , before you think that , I just want to part on good terms , I really see no point in falling out .