wot else is scary is that the new bloke on the bloke has not long urged parents to FORCE their children to go out in field service ! They do not learn .
Posts by jhine
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212Candace Conti v Watchtower Society | June 3, 2013 | Respondent's Brief - prepared by Rick Simons | A136641
by jwleaks injw leaks has published the respondent's brief prepared by rick simons in the case: candace conti v. watchtower bible and tract society of new york & fremont congregation of jehovah's witnesses.
(90 pages).
http://jwleaks.org/candace-conti/.
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Since Great Crowd has no mediator
by sosoconfused ini am thinking that maybe i missed this discussion or something.
now for years in the org i never ever paid attention to the article that says jesus is the mediator for the 144000 alone.
yesterday talking to my 70+ year old dad he got violently angry with me and threw his cane at me because he said i was a liar.. .
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jhine
As you cannot substantiate your statement , not at all .
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Why do JWs stay despite doubts & discoveries about JW Beliefs?
by ProfCNJ inif we are going to create a pie chart with the following categories, what could be the main components-reasons and their respective percentages for just staying in the organization in spite of the doubts, discoveries about the jw doctrines/beliefs?
i doubt if the topmost reason is because of love of jehovah god and his son jesus christ.
your inputs dear friends and fellow brothers will be most appreciated.. a. below 40 years old.
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jhine
can I tack a question onto this thread . ?
While sitting in on study with a friend of mine the JW's used the public study book about judgement and told my friend and I that during the 1000 yr reign all people will be given a chance to repent and gain everlasting life (on paradise Earth ) I wondered why then do they do their darndest to get people to be Witnesses if according to what they were saying it doesn't really matter ?
Is this not what they really teach in the KHs ? What is the official line on Armageddon and judgement ? I suspect something very different from the fluffy bunny stuff spouted that day .
CAn someone give me actual names of books where the proper teaching is , please . I would like to call them out on this if I can quote from their own literature to show their deception .
Ta very much
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Since Great Crowd has no mediator
by sosoconfused ini am thinking that maybe i missed this discussion or something.
now for years in the org i never ever paid attention to the article that says jesus is the mediator for the 144000 alone.
yesterday talking to my 70+ year old dad he got violently angry with me and threw his cane at me because he said i was a liar.. .
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jhine
Rat 350 , read the NT without the Watchtower coloured spectacles and see how often Jesus is mentioned . Paul says "I know my saviour " Not "I am taking in knowledge of Him but I know Him . Also remember when reading that wherever the Watchtower puts the word Jehovah in the NT it is not really there , only Lord , this in many instances actually refers to Jesus not Jehovah as the WT likes to imply .For some reason they seem determined to edge Jesus out of Christianity !!! JESUS CHRISTianity
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Scripturally-Speaking, Do You Think First Century Christians Were Taught To "Hate" All Apostates???
by bjc2read inhere are some searching questions about the governing body's public position on the prescribed treatment of all "apostates" against the organization, as taught at the most recent summer assemblies of jehovah's witnesses, in the year of 2013.. in your opinion, why does not the verse (shown below) not apply to how jehovah's witnesses are currently taught to feel about "apostates," and their activities toward the organization?
the verses in question, are from the words of jesus who clearly said:.
"however, i say to you: continue to love your enemies and to pray for those persecuting you that you may prove yourselves sons of your father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise upon wicked people and good and makes it rain upon righteous people and unrighteous.
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jhine
there is a teaching (from Paul ,I think ) that talks about putting such ones (those who have turned from the truth ) out of the protection of the church , I am paraphrasing ., but the writer does say that for their own good people who have turned their backs on Christ should be removed from the congregation . This is I think where the idea of shunning comes from , so it is a difficult one to get right . There is some scriptural basis for taking some kind of action against apostates , but I think that you are absolutely right in saying that discipline must be tempered with LOVE , not hate .
The Watchtower uses this verse , as with so many others for their own ends . Imo it can never be right for a follower of Christ to hate anyone .
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Watchtower says: Jesus is a FALLEN ANGEL
by UnDisfellowshipped inthe watchtower society teaches that jesus is a fallen angel!.
back in the days of charles taze russell, the watchtower society correctly taught that abaddon/apollyon from revelation chapter 9 was satan or a demon (because the bible describes him as a fallen angel of the abyss who is in control of all of the demon/locusts):.
the finished mystery (1917):.
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jhine
sorry did not mean to post twice , got carried away !!!
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Watchtower says: Jesus is a FALLEN ANGEL
by UnDisfellowshipped inthe watchtower society teaches that jesus is a fallen angel!.
back in the days of charles taze russell, the watchtower society correctly taught that abaddon/apollyon from revelation chapter 9 was satan or a demon (because the bible describes him as a fallen angel of the abyss who is in control of all of the demon/locusts):.
the finished mystery (1917):.
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jhine
Band on the Run , you are sooo right to say that a knowledge of the OT is essential to understanding the New , so many Christians do not realise the depth of teaching in the OT and the written and oral commentaries .
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Watchtower says: Jesus is a FALLEN ANGEL
by UnDisfellowshipped inthe watchtower society teaches that jesus is a fallen angel!.
back in the days of charles taze russell, the watchtower society correctly taught that abaddon/apollyon from revelation chapter 9 was satan or a demon (because the bible describes him as a fallen angel of the abyss who is in control of all of the demon/locusts):.
the finished mystery (1917):.
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jhine
Band on the Run , you are sooo right to say that a knowledge of the OT is essential to understanding the New , so many Christians do not realise the depth of teaching in the OT and the written and oral commentaries .
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My JW best friend is bringing a 'heavy' around to my house to talk some sense into me.
by Julia Orwell ini agreed, if only because i want to see my friend of many years.
the 'heavy' is a large, imposing man with a booming voice and is a creature of the gb through and thru (eg only visited his dfd dad on his death bed because it was a 'good witness' to the hospital staff) and i'm feeling stressed about seeing him.
i so badly wanted to see my friend though, i agreed without thinking and now wish i hadn't have.
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jhine
Julia , I think that your DAd is right .Why do you want to be friends with people who treat you this way ? I have often heard JWs criticise other churches with the phrase " by their fruits they shall be known " Well you have seen the Watchtower fruits first hand . Doesn't sound as if you will lose family or hubby (and you will calm down and forgive him , eventually !)
I too have been known to punch walls and throw shoes when in a temper , especially a temper born from frustration . So I know where you are coming from .
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Watchtower says: Jesus is a FALLEN ANGEL
by UnDisfellowshipped inthe watchtower society teaches that jesus is a fallen angel!.
back in the days of charles taze russell, the watchtower society correctly taught that abaddon/apollyon from revelation chapter 9 was satan or a demon (because the bible describes him as a fallen angel of the abyss who is in control of all of the demon/locusts):.
the finished mystery (1917):.
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jhine
any thoughts ?