I can't comment on how to fade , but I would say to take encouragement that while you are still attending you are dropping out little seeds that could help someone else to see TTATT . In fact give yourself a big pat on the back , you little resistance fighter , but I will say zis only once !!!
Posts by jhine
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31Fading hurts so much!!
by ILoveTTATT inyet another update on my story:.
for various reasons, i still have to go to all meetings.
(i am looking to change my personal circumstances to allow me to live somewhere else so i can fade easier)... i actually don't mind going to the mid-week meeting since i can comment on the bible reading, and slowly but surely i can introduce little seeds of cognitive dissonance... making it seem like i am super interested in what the interlinear says or that people can actually go and check out the manuscripts for themselves online!
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Can the elders stop you from entering the kingdom hall if
by label licker inyou continue to talk to the witlesses after being disfellowshipped.
we were at a funeral recently and disfellowshipped hubby would talk to anyone who who would come up to him and talk.
he said he wasn't going to be rude and that the rule of not talking to df ones don't apply to him.
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jhine
Being confused.com again ! I thought that if someone was d'fd then they had to be shunned by every JW or the JWs could be in trouble . Wasn't Ray Franz ultimately d'fd for having a meal with someone who had previously been d'fd ? I did not think that it was up to the individual to decide who they would talk to , but that the rules had to be obeyed . Is it not the case that even close family members can only be coantacted on matters of urgent family business when they have been d'fd ?
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Was the New World Bible Translation Committee pressed for time?
by I_love_Jeff in....when they did not include a translation of the hebrew scriptures in your special kingdom interlinear bible?
perhaps it is easier to manipulate the new testament to fit with their twisted jw teachings?.
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jhine
Certainly , they do twist the NT to suit themselves , but you can use the interlinear to show that , as when they add the word "other " to passages about Christ creating ALL things not all "other " things . At least you can show them that the added words are not in the original . So in a way I am surprised that they do include an interlinear because it can be used against them . How long before they realise this ?
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Was the New World Bible Translation Committee pressed for time?
by I_love_Jeff in....when they did not include a translation of the hebrew scriptures in your special kingdom interlinear bible?
perhaps it is easier to manipulate the new testament to fit with their twisted jw teachings?.
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jhine
nail on head
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This poor person is studying with Jehovah's Witnesses
by Watchtower-Free inthis poor person is a study with the jws .
if you wish to contact her or comment on her question .it might be a good thing .
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=ais9q4wvkyatmllxmpipn4bty6ix;_ylv=3?qid=20130806074531aaq8ppz.
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jhine
Done my bit .
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jhine
fiat , sorry I do not have a copy of the new booklet , local JW's do not seem to use it so much . What happened was I had gone on at some length about the mis- information in the (what I found out later was the ) old booklet . They trotted out the usual stuff about people not being perfect and mistakes are made etc . I kept saying that these were not mistakes but deliberate twisting of what was written by , well basically everyone quoted ! I kept suggesting that they read the original works of the early church fathers to see for themselves as the booklet holds them up as shining examples that could not be wrong . This is I believe what led to Randall Watters leaving the org , he did what I was suggesting for them to do, read the original works precisely because of the recommendation in the booklet of these men . Of course he realised how the facts had been twisted , told others at Bethel and this led to a lot of questioning and at least him leaving . I thought that I would be clever and use their own publications to get them to examine the facts . It seems, however , that the org learned the lesson and produced a second booklet basically saying that , yes the early Church Fathers did believe in the Trinity but what notice should we take of them because "clearly " they must be wrong cus they disagreed with the org !!
IN an attempt to shut me up one of my Witness friends found out her new book to show me that they couldn't read the original writings because these Church Fathers weren't to be trusted ??? This does not stop them from using the first book to turn studies from the Trinitarian view . Are you following this "logic " . Can't read what they wrote cus they can't be trusted , but can use what they "wrote "as proof of the infalibillity of the org .
I can't remember the exact date of publication of the new book but it was a few years ago , my guess would be that it was after the scandal at Bethel , trying to do damage limitation . I will try to get another look , but can't say when . If I can come up with anymore info I will post it .
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jhine
I have a copy given to me by a JW . I do know for a fact that the same JW used that booklet in one of her study sessions with someone else only a few months ago . She mentioned it a study that she has with a friend of mine when I was present . WE live in a small village in middle England ( isn't that new fangled electricity wonderful ) so it seems that the JWs here are not aware of the" obliterate it from history " campaign .
I have pointed out at length how this booklet is WRONG , but they did show me the new booklet which basically trashes the early church fathers held up as shining examples in the first edition ! Despite this as I said the local JWs are using that first booklet at least up to a few months ago .
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Protecting pedophiles while protecting children
by stillin ini know that a lynch mob forms whenever there's a hint of anybody being a pedophile, but the truth is that not all are the slavering, predatorial animals that they are painted to be.
each circumstance has its' own specifics.
in defense of the wts, they do keep track of confirmed pedophiles now.
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jhine
Sorry about the last post , technical difficulties with my computor . I suffer from Id 10 T syndrome .
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Protecting pedophiles while protecting children
by stillin ini know that a lynch mob forms whenever there's a hint of anybody being a pedophile, but the truth is that not all are the slavering, predatorial animals that they are painted to be.
each circumstance has its' own specifics.
in defense of the wts, they do keep track of confirmed pedophiles now.
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jhine
DogGone , must confess to finding it difficult to stay rational about what is to most people an emotional subject . At times I have swayed towards the idea that "lost " proposed !( as you said "LOst" as mothers and grandmothers it is our natural reaction ). It is soo difficult to understand what makes someone commit such an act and to try to understand that mindset seems to be being disloyal to the victims . It is hard to not feel that in someway you are condoning the wrongdoing if you do not have any other reaction than hatred towards the wrongdoer .
DogGone you seem to have had personal experience and also seem to have some peace about it . You say that the person who struck your family wasn't a monster . I think from your other comments that the matter was reported and dealt with by the authorities , did that help all involved ? especially the victim . That seems to me to be one !! of the flaws in the JW stance that the victim doesn't get justice . Not as a matter of revenge but to show that those around take seriously what happened to them , believe them and care about their welfare .
2as mothers and grandmothers it is a natural reaction ) It is VERY difficult to start to understand what makes someone commit such an act , and to give any time to trying to do so seems to be being disloyal to the victims . That is a problem , to forgive some one for an offence commited against yourself is easier than to forgive an offence commited against someone else especially a child , like I said you feel that you are condoning the wrong doing and being disloyal ,and in all honesty I struggle with that .
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Helping a student to leave
by Freethinking76 inwell ,one of my relatives is studying with jws,she called me about the sexual abuse lawsuit against the jws,i told her i needed to talk to her about other things,she agreed ,and told me that it will be between us,any suggestions?.
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jhine
bumped , hoping for an update .