i have been waiting for this moment, and it has finally come!
i was actually in the middle of typing in the other thread, about householders who caused you doubts, when a jw rang my doorbell.
my barking german shepherd didnt scare him away, but did knock all his books out of his hand and onto a wet porch, which i really felt bad about.
Getting to know THEM is great , so far they have been part of an organisation , cogs in a wheel . Jesus talked to induviduals and spoke into their needs , treating each person differently .
May the Lord bless your endevour . Keep us posted and maybe I will learn .
Jan
now i want all to add whatever they want to.
i was just reading the bible reading for tonights meeting and started 2 cor 12...and what i noticed was that paul here is revealing something, a revelation or vision of sorts, here it says (and its from the nwt for lurkers).
12 i have to boast.
DS211 , I agree that this is not a salvation issue , so that is why there is not really any formal teaching in most Trinitarian churches that has to be believed or your out !
When I talked about the Rev verses I used them to illustrate that the matter is not so straight forward (maybe ) If heaven and earth are to be done away with then we can only guess at the new arrangement where the new Jerusalem is among men . Perhaps the universe as we know it (Jim ) will disappear and something else will come in its place . As limited humans we can only imagine, to some extent ,according to our knowledge now . You let your imagination run riot and think what you would see as a new combined heaven and earth .
yes , sorry to atheists , but you could have fun imagining what heaven (if it exists ) would be like for you .
now i want all to add whatever they want to.
i was just reading the bible reading for tonights meeting and started 2 cor 12...and what i noticed was that paul here is revealing something, a revelation or vision of sorts, here it says (and its from the nwt for lurkers).
12 i have to boast.
Designs , I think that it is a bit more complicated than that , you have to think about a new heaven and a new earth for the first ones will pass away . A new Jerusalem coming down from heaven and God dwelling with men (Rev 21 : 1-5 ) I think that a lot of Christians of all denominations feel that this means a new coming together of heaven and earth , a new arrangement where God will be with man .
As discussed on another thread the great multitude are shown to be in the place where God is , in front of the throne .
I am not sure that it can be said that there is one official teaching , especially in the Church of England , about these things . When someone dies , for sure we talk about them going to heaven as a place above , but that often is to give comfort to children involved in the loss .
Most churches , even the Catholic church ,are open to discussion on such matters , we are not so dogmatic as the Watchtower .
i read a comentary about how the jw's changed the greek word so they could claim that the great crowd are not standing before the throne in rev 7:9 but out side the inner temple and in the court yard so to speak on earth.
my question is does the bible say somewhere that the inner temple means heaven and out side the inner sanctuary is the earth?.
Cofty , absolutely bang on . I was looking up some previous research that I had done on this "fudging " of naos , inner sanctuary where the presence of God was supposed to dwell and the word hieron which refers to outer courtyards .Rev 11where the two witnesses are told to measure the Temple but not the outer court sheds light on this .
Crazyguy go to jwfacts they have an excellent article on this subject . Interestingly the great multitude only moved house in the 1930's , up till then the Watchtower had them in heaven !
i have been waiting for this moment, and it has finally come!
i was actually in the middle of typing in the other thread, about householders who caused you doubts, when a jw rang my doorbell.
my barking german shepherd didnt scare him away, but did knock all his books out of his hand and onto a wet porch, which i really felt bad about.
I will add my prayers to those that are already , I am sure, being said for your next meeting .I cannot add any advice as to how to procede because I tend to go bull at a gate when I have Witnesses at my door and need to learn to keep things simple .
When things are so obvious to you it is really hard to understand how the other person can't understand what you are saying ! Of course what I fail to get is that the JW does not WANT to understand .
The point brought up about destroying faith altogether in an individual is really valid , that seems to have happened to so many people on this forum . I was asked the question by a man as he walked away from my door "where else shall we go ? " and I think that maybe he asked it because some of the things that I had said had hit home .I regret now that I did not shout after him "to Jesus " That is what they need to hear .
God bless your effort Jan
told my husband to put a muzzle on my mouth over the blood dogma.
we all were driving around in field service when the topic of "which fragments would you take if you were in a car accident or cut yourself badly".
said his choice is a personal one, another sister with chronic health problems said she had no problem with the governing body's new light on taking various fragments.
Aunt Connie , fantastic , especially for a woman !!!
I think that Bill Clinton cornered the fractions of adultery market first .
my name is valerie.
i thought i would add my story to the archives, in case anyone else can relate.. i am a homeschooling mom of 2 young children, ages 7 & 5. i was "saved" (overused expression) when i was a child, attended awana until middle school, and then led a basic, worldy life as a "good person.".
one day, during a short separation from my husband, the doorbell rang.
I see all of the parables about the end times to mean that we should live everyday as if it is the last and so live it to the full in Christ . Theyare just warnings about getting complacent in your faith . Of course what can happen is that when a JW wakes up to the fact that the org is wrong they then lose faith all together very often . A win win situation for Satan !
Draw your own conclusions !!
i know there are some here that are going through some tough times.
some of you do not believe in god.
some are not sure.. i was told recently by a friend to pray to god for help and he would comfort me.. my first impulse is to pray.
Way to go Narcissistic .
what is the origin of "theocratic warfare" and jehovah's witnesses being able to freely life if they feel it's for the "greater good" of the watchtower?
i asked the elder if jesus christ ever lied, he said "yes, jesus refused to answer questions from people!
" can you show me where this is in the bible?
Aunt Connie , I understand that some JWs use the example of Rahab lying to her people to save the Israelite spies .She then gets a mention in Hebrews where she is recomended for her faith .
I do not agree that this gives us permission to lie as Christians but this is I believe one excuse that JWs use .
life's not so great, i've been sulking after it was annouced, the annual meeting of directors is allowing everyone to view the event!
here comes the congregational corpes "john and jane does" to a meeting they should not be allowed to attend!
jehovah's witnesses enjoy their royalty just like americans do.
gosh the things that you learn
