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singsongboi
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Witnesses Not Budging on 1914
by stevieb1 injust attended the sunday of the zealous kingdom proclaimers district convention in manchester, england and during the final talk we had an update on the world situation as it relates to jehovah's witnesses.
the speaker was peter ellis, a member of the london bethel branch committee.. he stated that many had been waiting for armageddon for some years and some have become disappointed that it hasn't yet arrived, and that newer jw's did not seem to have the same degree of faith as some of the old-timers in the faith, hence this was of serious concern.
then he said something along the lines of 1914 being set in stone and that the organization was not going to get any new light on this key doctrine, hence we can be sure that armageddon is very near.. interesting don't you think?
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It was NOT supposed to end like this.......
by singsongboi ina few weeks ago my former mother-in-law (gwenny james) died.
bowel cancer, so i suppose it was painful.
and my former wife (anita), has apparently taken it rather hard.. when i heard the news, i couldn't help remembering the days when we were new jws.
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singsongboi
thanx for your warm hug, mrs rocky!!
and one in return (((((((for you guyz))))))..
I find it kinda sad to hear of the way the brothers are feeling in your area.... but i guess that every death, every funeral, is a silent witness to those faded hopes. Who wants to be reminded that you may have lived your life in vain -- kinda sad, isn't it...
and even though they may put a brave face to it, i can't help feeling that even for some on the GB, there may be feelings like that.
Recently in aust. a man died - a returned soldier from WW1.. as a 16 yo kid (he put his age up to enlist) he was among the aust. soldiers who invaded turkey at what has become known as Gallipoli ( hey!! says something about australia, i think, we must be one of the few nations who celebrate a defeat.).
So he was part of the generation, we once thought would NOT pass away before all things were fulfilled.
NOW HE IS DEAD, AND HIS GENERATION NEAR GONE COMPLETELY...
jws can only survive by "adjusting" truths in the face of reality.
Hey! does anyone remember "the let god be true" book, once used to study with new ones. (God, anyone who survived a study with that book, deserved to get life in the nedw order.. It was dam hard going..!!
and there was a chapter in there on 1914, the gentile times and 3 1/2 x 2 = 7 (Really!!!). WOW!!! that was an effort and half, to get your study though that and still with you !!!!
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It was NOT supposed to end like this.......
by singsongboi ina few weeks ago my former mother-in-law (gwenny james) died.
bowel cancer, so i suppose it was painful.
and my former wife (anita), has apparently taken it rather hard.. when i heard the news, i couldn't help remembering the days when we were new jws.
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singsongboi
Haereticus -- i guess it was the army issue that leveraged me into dub city. Said before that i was an over-serious dumb kid and i was a pacifist -- so as the time for my national service approached (korean war that time) - i started thinking what to do ++++ i was also worried about feeling that i was attracted to guys.
someone said jws wouldn't fight -- so i went to a meeting --... the rest is history.
Amazing -- yeah mate, since 1954 --- too bloody long wasn't it... can't help seeing the parrallels with communism -- people start out full of ideals --- an finish in disillusioned depression...
but, i imagine there is a bit of that at GB level also.. hanging tuff --waiting on jehovah!!!!
and JT,
can hurt can't it ??? i try not to let it!!!
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It was NOT supposed to end like this.......
by singsongboi ina few weeks ago my former mother-in-law (gwenny james) died.
bowel cancer, so i suppose it was painful.
and my former wife (anita), has apparently taken it rather hard.. when i heard the news, i couldn't help remembering the days when we were new jws.
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singsongboi
wasn't crying -- just philosophising..
personally, i aint going back--no way!!! i'm having a great time just the way i am.
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Did US always want to get into Afghanistan?
by ISP intestimony .
john j. maresca .
house committee on international relations .
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singsongboi
ajaxman...doan want to seem to be nit-picking....!! ( i read your post as slightly t-i-c)
but, i doan think that it is true that"afghani's" wanted to get you (the US) -- while no doubt, many afghanis did support the taliban & bin laden, i think there is reasonable evidence that the majority did not
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Noah's Bad Hair Day-A Pride Week Special
by singsongboi innoah's bad hair day.
if you have never been drunk before, the first time can be a bit scarifying.
the bible would have us believe that noah's bout with the bottle, as recorded in genesis 9;20, 21, was his first experience with over-drinking.
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singsongboi
Noah's Bad Hair Day.
If you have never been drunk before, the first time can be a bit scarifying. The bible would have us believe that Noah's bout with the bottle, as recorded in Genesis 9;20, 21, was his first experience with over-drinking. " Now Noah started off as a farmer and proceeded to plant a vineyard. And he began drinking of the wine and became intoxicated.."
I always found this a bit hard to swallow. Yes, I am willing to accept that man's discovery of the power of alcohol, may have been accidental. (i.e. storing grape juice for too long, leading to fermentation. Etc.). But to swallow, that man had been on the earth for 1656 years (to accept WTS calculations), that life on earth had degenerated to the point of one long mardi gras party, and yet HAD NEVER discovered how alcoholic beverages can help you party, is just too hard for me to accept. And the explanation offered by some brothers that grape juice did not ferment before the flood, is simply unbelievable.
So the genesis record of Noah getting pissed, opens up more questions for me, than answers.
But, if that matter is difficult, how about rest of the experience.
"and so he uncovered himself in the midst of his tent. "
(and why was he still living in a tent? Here's a man who built a ship. Who had taken up farming. He needed a fixed location. A barn too! So, if he had a barn, why would he still have a "tent." ?)
So, getting drunk was only the start of Noah's bad day.." Later Ham the father of Canaan saw his father's nakedness and went telling it to his brothers "
As many will be aware the WTS suggests (on the basis of other records) that this means that Noah was anally raped that day.
If you still have the Aid book and the Insight book, you can check it out.
Aid Book, Page 1230, under the sub-heading - Noah's Intoxication and also Page 284, under Canaan, second paragraph.
In the Insight book, for some reason the WTS removed the reference under Noah , but retained it under Canaan on page 399. Can't figure why they did that!
In both the external references, and in the WTS explanations, the usual view is that it was not Ham that did the dastardly deed, but Canaan his son. I find this hard to swallow also. Verse 22, specifically says "Ham --- saw his father's nakedness." . I guess the problem is that other texts state that Ham was a faithful flood survivor, so to attribute a desire to ***k anuses is a bit difficult to reconcile for the fundie types.
Why Canaan got cursed is left obscure. Apparently the holy spirit was having a bad day also, and failed to inspire the writer to make the matter clear.
And there are other questions in my mind.. Whether the deed was committed by Ham or Canaan, the question arises what was so special about Noahs' rear? According to verses 28, 29, Noah was over 600 years of age at this time Was the view of his rear, so enticing to either Canaan or Ham, that they could not resist the temptation ? That Noahs' rear end filled one of them with uncontrollable lust? Hhhmmmm!
And, if such feelings are NOT natural, as most fundies will maintain, where did the desire and knowledge required for this act (well! They would need lubricant! a little technical knowledge is a requirement for this sort of sex.) come from? Ham could have had knowledge of the practise from before the flood. But Canaan was born after the flood. Was it a matter for open discussion???
I doubt that it was the first time, that someone, (male or female) got drunk and was raped. And, certainly it was not the last time.
Well, I cannot draw conclusions (answers to my spiritual questions)-- it's one of those biblical conundrums, that as my former brothers used to say, we will just have to wait on Jehovah to give us the answer to understand it. But, whatever way you want to look at it, Noah's bad hair day was beauty wasn't it?
Edited by - singsongboi on 3 July 2002 6:14:44
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singsongboi
hmmmm! some of my trannie friends DO look better!! and they got real tits also....
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It was NOT supposed to end like this.......
by singsongboi ina few weeks ago my former mother-in-law (gwenny james) died.
bowel cancer, so i suppose it was painful.
and my former wife (anita), has apparently taken it rather hard.. when i heard the news, i couldn't help remembering the days when we were new jws.
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singsongboi
A few weeks ago my former mother-in-law (Gwenny James) died. Bowel cancer, so I suppose it was painful. And my former wife (Anita), has apparently taken it rather hard.
When I heard the news, I couldn't help remembering the days when we were new jws. Gwen and Farleigh got the "truth" a couple of years before I did. Independently of each other, they had both read a publication and arrived at the same conclusion - " they had found the truth".
A bright road and HOPE opened up to all of us -- serving Jehovah and never dying. Living through the imminent end of this system and then life forever in the new system of things.
Along with hundreds of thousands of new witnesses, we were excited by the opportunities to do good to our fellow man, and to serve god at the same time. We were excited at the speed with which the good news spread, excited at the experiences of men and women, young and old, hearing and accepting the good news. As country after country experienced expansion we were thrilled to have a tiny part in this "grand" work and the hope that Jehovah had given us..
Gwen and Farleigh, certainly determined to live up to their dedication vow, and experience the blessings Jehovah was going to pour out on "faithful ones". They did indeed give up much and accepted "little" materially, in return. As Hebrews 11:38, 39 says of the ancient prophets.. "the world was not worthy of them. They wandered about in deserts and mountains and caves of the earth. And yet all these. Did not get the fulfillment of the promise.." They did sell their home, served where the need was greater in New Caledonia, pioneered in australia, were on the circuit for many years
........ and fully expected to live through the great day of Armageddon and never die off the earth.
This is not a hymn of praise -- I knew them too well, for that. But it is a story of fading hopes that many others may relate to.
I am sure that Gwenny would disagree with me, but I can't help thinking how sad it is. Brothers who stated with confidence that Armageddon would be here in 5 years (as said to me in 1954 -- my father laughed at me when I told him, and had the last laugh) are themselves dead. Their bright hopes of never dying off the earth vanquished. As 1975, came and went, and the bright hopes of Freddy's promises faded away, and all things continued as from the beginning, more died -- hoping, hoping for a resurrection, and that their sacrifices had not been in vain. And now, nearly 30 years after 1975, time for young ones to grow up and have their own young children, they still wait with hope, a hope that has faded somewhat from those hope filled days of the early 50's.
But as the expectation of spiritual hopes fade, one text must grow brighter in the hearts and minds of many -- The words of Proverbs 13: 12 .. "Expectation postponed is making the heart sick."
Our way was Not supposed to end in death, but in life forever. But hope and excitement has died, and been replaced by a plodding determination that jw's must still be right. And paranoid bodies of elders all over the earth will quickly end your spiritual path, if you murmer of your disappointment in the fading hope.
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Gay Pride Week: Who's Celebrating & How?
by Fire Dragon inhow many of us xdubs are glb or t?
(gay, lesbian, bisexual, or transgender).
this weekend i'll be celebrating with friends and "family" over burgers and beer!
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singsongboi
maybe the rainbow flag could also remind us that noah (since the rainbow was also mythically associated with him) ----uuuuummm!!!, eeeerm !!! aaaah!....... well, had an interesting anal experience also........
"Insight on the scriptures" -- Page 399, under canaan
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Are there any ex-missionaries here??
by fulano ini have been a missionary in the dominican republic for almost 10 years and i was wondering if there were any ex-missionaries on this forum.. i am back in my country now for 3 years and totally inactive.. what i noticed in those missionary-years was the lack of spiritual interest among the missionaries.. discussions were about rooms, cars and greater responsibilities, the bad territory.
and the local c.o.s and d.os.. was this only in the dr or are there other experiences??.
ere other experiences?
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singsongboi
spirituality is a dam hard thing to maintain, in dub city or rome city for that matter!!! but somehow,jws manage to have veri little.
Maybe it's all hovah'ed out of them -- 5 hours of "organised" meetings each week +++ the other things, doesn't give much time for the thoughtfullness that spirituality needs here's a missionary story 4 u....(sad) -- it happened maybe 30 years ago..... an acquaintance, in oz, came from a prominent Adelaide (South Australia) family and "got" the truth... for his pains he got dis-inherited by the family and being "zealous" for the truth went pioneering, and was then invited to gilead... after graduation he was assigned with a partner to cambodia (kampuchea) -- no branch etc.... so no support. after some time, his partner fell ill and died. Then (and maybe even now) there is little support structure in that country. He had to keep his partners body at home, and made enquiries as to how he could bury the body. Well! no cemeteries. He was told everyone disposes by burning, you will have to do the same.. Well, their allowance wasn't very high anyway, and they had spent a lot on medical treatment(?) so was'nt much money left.... he went and bought the wood he could afford, got a cycle carrier to take the body to the burning area, and set the fire and placed his partners body on top. he lit the fire, but in his inexperience, (you sort of don't get much practice in this technique in Adelaide, especially, when you have a wealthy family)... did not place the body securely... so it kept slipping out of the fire. he had to keep pushing it back into the fire.. and he did not have enough wood so there was not complete combustion ( to be delicate) --
somehow, he got through a day that he described as a nightmare.... but into another nightmare -- a breakdown that was about the end of his missionary career....