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  young brothers expelled from B/bethel in early 70s

  by singsongboi in

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  i am interested in the following incident(s)..... ........the witch-hunt at brooklyn bethel in the early seventies when dozens of bethel boys were disfellowshipped after learning of their midnight trysts in the sauna in brooklyn bethel...... if anyone can provide more detail i would be grateful!!!

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  singsongboi

  thnx messenger!!

  anyone round now, that was there at the time?

  how did the guys involved react, any support offered or just the big bash?
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  Well, I'm DA'd Now! :)

  by rem in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my judicial meeting took place on monday night.

  i was a bit annoyed because the meeting centered on my private beliefs - things that i've already spoken to the elders about in the past many times before.

  i don't think i handled myself as well as i wanted to, but i guess i did ok under the circumstances.

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  singsongboi

  say -- are things really getting that tuf?

  once - no action would have been taken over private beliefs (doubts)!

  or is this mob of elders just doing a bit of brown nosing??

  (i've had absolutely no contact for 13 years- hence the question!)
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  young brothers expelled from B/bethel in early 70s

  by singsongboi in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am interested in the following incident(s)..... ........the witch-hunt at brooklyn bethel in the early seventies when dozens of bethel boys were disfellowshipped after learning of their midnight trysts in the sauna in brooklyn bethel...... if anyone can provide more detail i would be grateful!!!

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  singsongboi

  i am interested in the following incident(s)....

  ........the witch-hunt at Brooklyn Bethel in the early seventies when dozens of Bethel boys were disfellowshipped after learning of their midnight trysts in the sauna in Brooklyn bethel.....

  if anyone can provide more detail i would be grateful!!!!
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  Weather and the Dubs....

  by lydia in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the weather here has been very strange to say the least..... i live in an area that usually gets snow and very cold temps.. but this year it is as if we are having spring early..... so i guess my question for all is.....what - if anything- do you think that the dubs would say about it??.

  is it a preclude to armmageddon??.

  what are your thoughts on the weather?

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  singsongboi

  cheee! i found in my 30 years in that group that it was common misconception that the weather was part of the sign..

  not sure how this got to be, but, underneath the official partyline, there were always deep currents of 'alternative' beliefs on the part of many... in my expereince less than 50% understood what the WT was on about!!!
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  Apostates are DEMONIZED !

  by Derrick in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the other day an elder expressed concern for the "growing number of apostates on the world wide web" and said "apostates are "demonized"!.

  choose the definition the elder most likely intended to imply:.

  http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=demonized.

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  singsongboi

  i think we should be asking if the guy has the intelletual capacity to understand the meaning of the words he's using???

  hey! anyone remember that article on demonism, way back in the 60's, that set all the brothers throwing stuff out, in case it was demonised..

  every time anyone got sick they'd have a hunt thru the house for some object they could blame...

  the WT sort of had to run another article to hose them all down...
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  Paranoid about death and im only 31????

  by master chief in

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  dont get me wrong im a really happy guy and live an exciting life but since i was about 20 iv always thought about how frightening the reality of death is it really bugs me ill give you an example im really young now of course and then i might walk passed a graveyard and even look at the stones and then i think that will be me one day.

  but i cant imagine being dead i want to live forever and all i want to know is do you think the dead are conscious of nothing or is there life after death.

  iv got this idea though see what you make of it, i think that r bodys are just shells and are life is in us and when we die we go to another realm maybe heaven etc i thought of this because angels can supposedly materialize in to human form and viceversa so what do you think people is there really life after death

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  there is only one real answer -- live your life to the full (old cliche) and enjoy it..

  to me death is the end, if there is something else - that will be a bonus!!!

  hey! and i love my "new" life (after dfing)
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  Okay Bible Supporters: Support this One

  by FreePeace in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there have been so many bible thumping posts lately, i thought i would offer an anti-bible article from my truthquest website.

  i wait with bated breath to see how bible supporters will rationalize and explain this one.. .

  atrocities of the bible: the midianites .

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  singsongboi

  hey! i was going to post something on the theme....

  but then i started thinking - this is like a bad dream!!

  all this argumentation - this way, that way!!!

  cheeeeeeeeee!!!!!
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  The King Will magnify himself above every god.

  by proplog2 in

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  2. friends

  there is something brewing in russia.. .

  the electronic telegraph (uk).

  27 january 2002. pro-putin cult urges return to soviet 'glory'.

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  singsongboi

  so!! i doubt that russia has the strength and resources to be a powerful force again... much more likely russsia will engage with the EU.. many of the 'developments' that u list are just part of 'nation-building' that have already been carried out in nations like the US and the UK

  the next "most" powerful nation will be china. already the overseas chns as a group are the third largest investment group in the world (unless u want to count the EU as a single entity)..

  overseas (including taiwan)chns and china together are likely to overtake a 'slipping" japan that only got where it was because of US prop-ups.

  in the next 50 years they will equal the US in productive capacity..

  all of which shows the nonsense of this use of strange prophecies ....

  of course, maybe, just maybe -- i'm a false prophet!!! kekekekekeke
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  Vale Clive Williams-gay, circuit o'seer-d'fd...

  by singsongboi in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is the story of another man battling in a place he did not belong - i did not know him, only knew of him.....thru the everlasting gossip!!!.

  i think he had already left australia when i became a jw in the the 1950's -- and my knowledge of him is only thru recollection of whispered conversations.. i've called it -----.

  life gets better for clive williams.

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  singsongboi

  this is the story of another man battling in a place he did not belong - i did not know him, only knew of him.....thru the everlasting gossip!!!

  i think he had already left australia when i became a jw in the the 1950's -- and my knowledge of him is only thru recollection of whispered conversations.

  I've called it -----

  Life gets better for Clive Williams

  Being disfellowshipped is presented as a disaster..!! I met a young man on the chat line a couple of nights ago, to whom my life was presented as the model for his disastrous future (if he did not change)..

  Well, maybe i will post about that one day, but in the meantime here's an article (slightly abridged) about a former, pioneer, special pioneer, and if memory serves right, a former gilead graduate, missionary and circuit overseer.

  Rumours of clive's sexual preferences had been whispered about within the australian branch, and i believe that he had possibly been reproved while pioneering in Fiji...

  It's all to far back for me to remember details, but someone else may be able to fill in...

  it's also fascinating to speculate on his relationship with soeharto!!! but it sounds like we will never know those details.

  Clive Williams, 80, died in Jakarta this month. He was a close
  personal friend of President Suharto and rumoured to be gay.]

  Australian Financial Review
  09/27/2001

  Clive and the President

  By Tim Dodd

  Once it was not unusual for a Westerner to win the trust of an
  oriental potentate and become part of his court. Think of Anna
  Leonowens, whose relationship with the monarch of Thailand lives on in
  Rodgers and Hammerstein's The King and I and the movie Anna and the
  King.

  But it is little known that Leonowens had a recent counterpart. The
  ruler in question was President Soeharto and the foreign confidant was
  an Australian, Clive Williams, who died in Jakarta this month after
  living as part of the Soeharto family for more than 30 years.

  Williams was about the same age as Soeharto who turned 80 this year
  but other details of his background are obscure. Many acquaintances
  believe that he originally moved to Java as a missionary. By
  profession he was a podiatrist, but by the late 1950s he was teaching
  English in Semarang, the capital of Central Java, where he had a
  fateful meeting.

  Living in the same city at that time was the young Colonel Soeharto,
  an ambitious young officer who commanded the troops in the region. The
  colonel was looking for an English teacher. He met Williams and the
  two must have clicked, because Williams rapidly became a friend of the
  Soeharto family and, crucially, gained the confidence of Soeharto's
  wife, Tien.

  Incidentally, Williams was not the only key contact Soeharto made in
  Semarang. He also met two local Chinese businessmen, Bob Hasan and Lim
  Sioe Liong, who later became billionaires through favouritism and
  largesse. Both took hard falls when Soeharto's presidency ended in
  1998. Hasan is now in jail, convicted of corruption, and Lim nearly
  lost his business empire in the economic crisis.

  Hasan became a particular friend of Soeharto and was well-known as his
  golfing buddy. But the evidence suggests that Williams had an even
  closer relationship.

  When Soeharto took over in 1966 (power was initially delegated to him
  and he did not formally become president until 1968), Williams moved
  straight into the new leader's innermost circle. Soeharto habitually
  had breakfast with Williams using it as a regular English lesson and
  Williams moved into a house at the back of the Soeharto residence,
  part of the suburban block in central Jakarta that became the family
  compound.

  ``He was very much part of the Soeharto family, he became a family
  member,'' says Malcolm Dan, Australia's deputy ambassador to Indonesia
  from 1974 to 1976, who became a good friend of Williams.

  By this time, Williams's role in the Soeharto household went far
  beyond that of an English teacher. He was an uncle and tutor to the
  six children and was entrusted with playing a role in their
  upbringing.

  ``He regarded the children almost as his own. He was very close to all
  of them,'' says Rawdon Dalrymple, Australia's ambassador in Jakarta
  from 1981 to 1985.

  People who knew Williams earlier report that he was especially close
  to the older children, while those who knew him later say he was
  closer to the younger ones, including the notorious youngest son,
  Tommy.

  According to one source, Williams once took Tommy to Australia for a
  holiday when he was a boy.

  From his house, Williams could walk through the back fence to the main
  Soeharto house in Jalan Cendana, and he was free to come and go as he
  pleased.

  ``He used to spend time with the family, share the evening meal with
  them and stay and talk afterwards,'' says Dalrymple, who came to know
  Williams well.

  He also acquired a new interest in agriculture and, as he gained
  experience, became the chief adviser on running the Soeharto ranch,
  Tapos, a property 60 kilometres south of Jakarta on the cool lower
  slopes of the Mt Salak volcano. He bought Australian cattle for the
  ranch and brought in Elders as a supplier and a source of expertise.

  ``He was completely loyal to the family,'' says Dan, who was in touch
  with Williams regularly until recently.

  But in recent years, Williams did express to another interlocutor his
  concern about the behaviour of the Soeharto children, who by that time
  were becoming notorious for abusing business concessions awarded to
  them by their father.

  But Williams was in high demand from those in the know - embassies,
  companies and individuals who wanted a channel to Soeharto. Even so,
  he is not known to have ever betrayed a Soeharto confidence or used
  his special access for personal gain. ``To my knowledge he never once
  abused his position,'' says Graeme Robertson, head of the coal mining
  company Adaro, who has lived in Indonesia for 30 years.

  He suffered from diabetes and, in his last year, had been very ill.
  Many of his friends lost contact.

  Unlike Anna Leonowens, Williams did not write a book, and the thought
  that his life could inspire a movie, let alone a musical, is
  ludicrous. But his position was unique, and the fact that he was not
  Indonesian, and posed no political threat, seems to have been a factor
  behind Soeharto's willingness to let him get so close. Aside from
  that, there was his discretion, which Soeharto must have trusted
  totally.

  If Williams had written a book, it would have been an extraordinary
  one. What he knew about Soeharto and his family is extremely unlikely
  to emerge from any other source.

  When he died it all went with him.
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  Just My Story

  by malian in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i would like to post my personal experience here because i can't tell anyone else.

  i met my boyfriend when i was 15--i am 20 now.

  we couldn't help falling in love, and we both made extreme sacrifices to be together.

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  singsongboi

  that's sad 4 u malian...

  but u doan 'need' anyone - there is no one 'right' person for any of us...

  but probably u have taken a step to emotional maturity that may stand u in good stead in the future....

  oooh! yes -- and u probably learnt a second lesson - religion is big hassle -- doan fall for any of it!!