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  Memorial to those betrayed by family

  by singsongboi in

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  have you been disfellowhipped from the "spiritual paradise" for your conscientiously held personal beliefs?.

  and were you and betrayed to the elders by family members who reported your personal conversations with them to the copngregation.. this thread is a memorial to you - and to the stupidity and paranoia of the gb, in encouraging this practise.. the stupidity of this doctrine and practise can be illustrated by the following news report (which i read in the sydney morning herald (08-04-02) but which came originally from the english daily telegraph).

  i have summarised the following from the article..... ____________________________________________________________.

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  singsongboi

  have you been disfellowhipped from the "spiritual paradise" for your conscientiously held personal beliefs?

  and were you and betrayed to the elders by family members who reported your personal conversations with them to the copngregation.

  this thread is a memorial to you - and to the stupidity and paranoia of the GB, in encouraging this practise.

  the stupidity of this doctrine and practise can be illustrated by the following news report (which i read in the sydney morning herald (08-04-02) but which came originally from the english daily telegraph)

  I have summarised the following from the article....

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  Werner Fischer was a leading east german dissident, fighting for the end of the east german worker's non-paradise, who planned and led weekly demonstrations that helped to bring the fall of the berlin wall in 1989.

  he has just finished reading 67 files from the stasi (east german secret police) kept on him. in the files, he learnt the name of someone close to him who became his betrayer.

  Who?

  the woman's name was erna fischer.

  his mother!

  she valued her relationship with the east german state and the east german communist party more than her relationship with her son, and was willing to betray her son.

  they no longer have a relationship.

  __________________________________________________________

  it is easy to change names of individuals and groups, and come up with similar stories in the modern day WT paradise. with family members betrayed for believing something they were not supposed to believe in the WT paradise.

  everyone is likely to feel critical of the (former) east german incident --- why can't jws see the stupidity of their policy of reporting variant belief.
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  Tribal Theory?

  by moman in

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  dubs & all religions pracitce exclusivity & forms of shunning in some form, why?.

  the "tribal theory", as i call it, could explain some reasons why religions & other groups practice shunning.. the basic theory says: early man formed in groups for survival.

  these clans or tribes had need for a strong leader & any challange to that leadership, if not checked early, was a threat to the unity, & therefor, the survival of the group,the old "safety in numbers" thing.. to be put out of the group was tantamount to death.. i know this is nothing new, but any thoughts?

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  singsongboi

  yeah!! remember one elder on a dfing committee - not mine- told their "victim"....

  "you should remember that in ancient israel, god would have had you stoned to death, instead of just being disfellowshipped."

  i told the other other elders that this guys was no more than a spiritual thug!!!!!!!
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  Israel has No Future

  by metatron in

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  the state of israel will meet the same fate as rhodesia/zimbabwe.

  and south africa - chipped away by endless violence, beaten down.

  internationally, and finally erased amidst promises of peace.

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  singsongboi

  i have not researched the events that led up to the establishment odf the state of israel very deeply, but what i have learnt is this....

  Israel was established, partly due to the work and influence of 'zionists' ... who saw their goals as based on their 'religious' philosophy...

  true some did look at other places to establish a "homeland", but the majority favoured an effort to return to palestine...

  some started to do this - infiltrating, if u like to use a emotive word... and building a critical mass under the noses of the palestinians.

  the british were forced to give independence to israel, by the terrorist tactics of the stern gang and other jewish terrorist groups - who used bombings etc. to reach their political goals - in a way that is not too different from what the palestinians are doing to israel now.
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  Circuit Assembly Bklyn NY -Saturday 4/6/02

  by worf in

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  my sister went to the circuit assembly this past weekend here in bklyn ny.. they had a young sister on the platform helping to promote pioneering.the interesting point about this is that this young sister is attending college full time and actually said this in front of the audience.she brought out that she is going to college full-time and that since she "has only one more year left, she will wait to pioneer when she is in her last year of college because maybe then it probably won't be so hard.

  " these were her exact words.. i find this to be very interesting.

  those of us who have done parts or experiences or talks for circuit assemblies know that each talk and each part is scrutinized in practice sessions prior to the assembly in front of the circuit overseers.

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  singsongboi

  1. yes! i have been to a CA in the past - it was some place in south west NSW in oz.. and no one presented for baptism -- would have been in the 1960's.

  the baptism talk was re-cast as a reminder of what baptism meant to those present...

  2. kids at college!! better than you think nathan! i took a year off, 2 years ago and went to a TAFE college in sydney... to do a course. most of the kids were great- really wanted to get on...

  and i also work with a gay support group here in sydney -- most of the young guys are studying in university, and get a lot fo support from other members who are university lecturers...

  these kids are smart and progressive.

  i know there are some like u (probably humourously) described...but most are not.
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  Disassociation?

  by Sunflower1982 in

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  hi people!

  i was wondering if you all could take a moment to give me some advice.... since leaving my congregation and regaining clarity, i have been contemplating disassociating myself.

  i know it seems like a silly thing to fret about, but i think disassociation might give me the closure ive been looking for.

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  singsongboi

  hey!! LB tht's a great way to look at it...

  the congregation disassociated itself from you!!!!

  leads on to another thought...could send them a letter telling them they are disfellowshipped from you!!!!!!!
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  Brief History of Palestine

  by Amazing in

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  i found this article and thought it was worth sharing.

  president bush recently told the un that the usa supports a palestinian state.

  this is a good move since it was the original plan.

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  what is now called 'israel' won it's right to statehood following WW2 by means of terrorism.
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  Highlights from Feb 8,2002 Awake

  by LDH in

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  1. qfr page 30 comment reads:.

  i enjoyed the article "cathedrals--monuments to god or men?

  " (june 8, 2001) but isn't it true that jws build rather large kingdom halls and asembly halls?.

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  singsongboi

  " By way of contrast, Kingdumb Halls and Assembly Halls are modest structures that are not built to bring any praise to any humans. Rather, they serve as places of worship. "

  and also monuments to the fact that their god has bad taste...!!!!
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  CO reveals meaning of Ps 91

  by VioletAnai in

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  had co visit this week...very interesting...about this dangerous world.

  yesterday he revealed the meaning of ps 91. here are my notes on it if yer interested.. ps 91:1-3 - anyone dwelling in the secret place of the most high, will procure himself lodging under the very shadow of the almighty one.

  i will say to jehovah "you are my refuge and my stronghold, my god in whom i trust".

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  singsongboi

  doan think its particularly 'new' light...

  can remember studying that just after i was df'ed, and being particularly fervent, in an effort to go back into the box>>

  well!! it did not help!!!

  and it won't help jws today either!!!!
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  1975

  by musky in

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  there has been much said about the watchtower saying that the end would come in 1975. i have never seen any evidence that the watchtower said the end would definitely come in 1975. if there was such evidence, there would certainly be little or no witnesses left today, i believe.

  i do not believe that excuses the fact that they definitely put that idea in peoples heads.

  i was 10 years old then.

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  i was there too! and i do not understand how anyone that was a jw in those days,could now turn around and say that the society did not say the end would come in 1975. all the citations above, clearly show it to be so... dissimulation is so close to hypocrisy.

  such a person must be really screwed up in their brain.

  and i clearly remember, nathan knorr giving a talk to elders in the greenacre assembly hall in sydney, in 1975 and saying, that he did not see that all the things that the bible said had to happen, could possible happen in the remaining months of 1975.

  for most of us... this was the first 'admission' (officially) that the end may NOT come in 1975.

  ask all the brothers that sold up houses*** etc. and tried to serve faithfully to the ....end!!!! which did not come.

  the circumstances of these families made me feel very sad!!! - i see the name of the son of one family in the attachments to this site...and feel sad all over again!!!!

  so now near to 27 years after 1975...have they learned ? NO!!!!! or maybe they have learned that the best way to stop people from thinking is to make it an offense to think!!!!!

  and this is not the first time... an old lady i became friends with while pioneering in newcastle nsw, told me of her experiences when under the influence of 'idiotic' brothers, here family sold their house in 1918.
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  Maybe we are evil

  by joelbear in

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  the question keeps coming up here.. how could we have ever been a part of something so evil and sinister as the watchtower society?.

  maybe its because we are evil.. joel

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  singsongboi

  i became involved with the jws, because i was idealistic....

  was that evil....????

  i wanted to help make a better world...

  the biblical msg seemed like a good short-cut!!!

  so! i guess that places me in the 'dumb'category!!!!!!

  i do not mind their having 'rules', and i really (now) do not care about being dfed. that was a short sharp kick in the head that woke me up -- which is what dfing is supposed to do...but, it woke me up in a way they did not intend.... i had no place in their 'dream-world' anyway!!!

  neither have you joelbear!!!!!!!!

  what i think we are seeing happening is (as they are becoming increasingly institutionalised), they are letting the 'tough' guys become the jailers...

  these guys do not have many feelings and have a certain enjoyment of power, and they are ignorant, in the sense of being uneducated.

  ted jarasz would fall into that category.

  when i was first in the truth - i wanted to discuss my homosexual feelings with someone... (well! no-one could have helped anyway),

  my group study (ken frame - a really nice guy) was working in bethel and when he saw i was being troubled about something (he did not know what)****, suggested i come to bethel and talk to jarasc, who was branch servant, (the title in those days).. (in those days everyone was much more on a personal level - only about 12 congregations in sydney)

  so i did... but i was also a dam shy kid (i was only 17) and i got veri nervous and ashamed and he lost patience and let it be seen... so i confessed to masturbation -- and got the usual (little) lecture on praying and service...and then the big lecture on not wasting the time of important brothers, and should talk to the cong. servant first etc...etc...etc...

  i should have seen the writing on the wall then.... but like i've said -- i was a dumb kid.

  if jarasc is the most influential person in the gb at present...well, what we see is a reflection of his personality...

  so joelbear -- where is the evil?????????

  **** and please remember, in those far off days, the only mention of 'homosexual' was an occasional item in the newspaper of someones arrest in a public toilet for trying it on an undercover cop...

  now there is something that is really evil, joelbear!!!