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  Thinking of becoming a Witness again and my reasons for doing so :(

  by reniaa in

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  2. experiences

  i've been a faded jw for 10 years i left because of my failed first marriage, i'm no hypocrite and realised i had left completely so i embraced the world and dived in, only christmas and birthdays i could not get into, they were too foreign to me having never celebrated them, like if i suddenly tried to do ramadan or something like that.. 1/ all the criticisms of the people in the truth you say on here, i've found in the world, warts and all only in the world nothing holds them back from being utterly horrible to you.. 2/ i got stabbed by a worldly boyfriend, i got married 2 times of my own choosing to men outside the truth, the first smoked and was an alcoholic, the second gambled every penny we had and defrauded me out of money after we separated, 2 divorces later i am currently pregnant and a single mum since current boyfriend decided kids was to much of a responsibility and he needed his freedom and i was 'too selfish to expect him to give up his life'.. 3/ parents-in-law!

  i have been shunned by them as equal to anything you accuse witness families of and for the silliest of reasons, i had a disabled son and his grandparents said they wanted nothing to do with him because they didn't want to become attached in case he died.. 4/ i miss the honest friendships of the truth, i had friends of all ages from 14 to 80 years old and they genuinely cared for me, many trying to keep me in the faith a long time after i left but i was determined to fade so moved away completely, but i find friendships in the world so shallow in comparison and very hard to sustain :( i've never been a drinker and sometimes thats what friendship means you being a companion for them to goto pub with.. 5/ my recent boyfriend was in a christian religion, i thought why not find out about it, harvest churches if you ever heard of them, unfortunately it still hasn't stop him leaving me pregnant and alone and when i said to him how does he clear that with god, he replies "as long as i repent it doesn't matter" it's like he has a "get out of jail free card" for any wrong-doing in the bible, this is so alien to me and my witness trained conscience.. 6/ i recently out of frustration tried looking into atheism and joined their forums, it wasn't fun, they are as bombastic and arrogant as their religious counterparts can be from any religion, they make a religion out of not believing in god, it's very weird they talk of saving people from believing in god and offer nothing to replace it.

  they said to me "be happy you are in reality now and enjoy it" and i thought "well if this is reality i've had enough of it".

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  Well Reniaa

  I am going to be brutally honest with you.

  You have told us that you have examined the scientific evidence against a global flood (on the atheist forum). You have told us that you still accept the bible's version, that God once destroyed 99% of mankind by using a global flood. This is the ultimate in intellectual dishonesty and lack of education. To simply give us the old JW line of "scientists aren't perfect therefore I can ignore any scientific evidence I want" is, quite frankly, just plain stupidity.

  You even go so far as to express the opinion that you don't really mind if God decides to destroy 99% of humankind. This expresses that you still hold the JW view of "the world" that we are all pretty much "less than" everyone else and deserve to die.

  The next point I will make I feel I have to - Leolaia is infinately more knowledgeable than you are on scripture. She gave you actual SOURCES which PROVE her point regarding the stake / cross thing. She said that the stake was used, but that the cross then developed into use. What did you do? You quote the NWT! ROFL! I mean I'm actually astounded at how arrogant you can be in the face of others who ACTUALLY know more than you!

  I can't believe you've been out of the JWs for 10 years.

  All you do is spout their crap, and when people point out the actual facts, you ignore it!

  You are VERY WELL SUITED to be a Jehovahs Witness. You can ignore logical arguments, you can ignore science, you can ignore people who are biblical scholars, you can shut down your emotions and think its OK for the rest of us to be killed.....I'd say you 'd make a perfect Jehovahs Witness.

  Go and waste your entire life on that cult and don't come crying to us when you look back on your life and realise you wasted it on a publishing company from New York.

  Sirona
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  Thinking of becoming a Witness again and my reasons for doing so :(

  by reniaa in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i've been a faded jw for 10 years i left because of my failed first marriage, i'm no hypocrite and realised i had left completely so i embraced the world and dived in, only christmas and birthdays i could not get into, they were too foreign to me having never celebrated them, like if i suddenly tried to do ramadan or something like that.. 1/ all the criticisms of the people in the truth you say on here, i've found in the world, warts and all only in the world nothing holds them back from being utterly horrible to you.. 2/ i got stabbed by a worldly boyfriend, i got married 2 times of my own choosing to men outside the truth, the first smoked and was an alcoholic, the second gambled every penny we had and defrauded me out of money after we separated, 2 divorces later i am currently pregnant and a single mum since current boyfriend decided kids was to much of a responsibility and he needed his freedom and i was 'too selfish to expect him to give up his life'.. 3/ parents-in-law!

  i have been shunned by them as equal to anything you accuse witness families of and for the silliest of reasons, i had a disabled son and his grandparents said they wanted nothing to do with him because they didn't want to become attached in case he died.. 4/ i miss the honest friendships of the truth, i had friends of all ages from 14 to 80 years old and they genuinely cared for me, many trying to keep me in the faith a long time after i left but i was determined to fade so moved away completely, but i find friendships in the world so shallow in comparison and very hard to sustain :( i've never been a drinker and sometimes thats what friendship means you being a companion for them to goto pub with.. 5/ my recent boyfriend was in a christian religion, i thought why not find out about it, harvest churches if you ever heard of them, unfortunately it still hasn't stop him leaving me pregnant and alone and when i said to him how does he clear that with god, he replies "as long as i repent it doesn't matter" it's like he has a "get out of jail free card" for any wrong-doing in the bible, this is so alien to me and my witness trained conscience.. 6/ i recently out of frustration tried looking into atheism and joined their forums, it wasn't fun, they are as bombastic and arrogant as their religious counterparts can be from any religion, they make a religion out of not believing in god, it's very weird they talk of saving people from believing in god and offer nothing to replace it.

  they said to me "be happy you are in reality now and enjoy it" and i thought "well if this is reality i've had enough of it".

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  The JWs would pick you up in the street but they're all eagerly awaiting the time when God kills 99% of humanity and lets the birds eat the corpses.

  When I was JW I looked forward to Armageddon without a care about everyone else outside the JWs. I was told just about three weeks ago, by two JW ladies who I knew from when I was "in" that a sister in the cong was saying that Armageddon was really close and the proof she gave was that we've had an influx of flocks of birds here in the uk (its been in the news) and that this shows that Jehovah is getting the birds ready to eat the corpses.

  Really loving religion!

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  This Past Week Has Been Hell!

  by XJW4EVR in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  last friday morning, my wife was attacked while waiting to transfer between buses.

  normally, she has the car, and i commute to school, however this day i had to take the car in for some repairs, and then commute to school.

  she fought off this guy for some time, and walked away with scratches, scrapes, and some bruises.

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  So sorry that this happened to your wife and you!

  It is not your fault....everyone in the world needs car repairs at some time....and everyone at some time has to use public transport. It is the fault of the horrible attacker.

  Hugs to you both and sending you both positivity.

  Sirona
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  Surge in "anointed ones"

  by dozy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the nightmare scenario is slowly unravelling for the wts.. since 1935 , wtbts policy was to shut up the kingdom of heaven by implying that any new anointed was at best misled & at worst a fake.

  franzs replacement theory did little to help matters.

  this suppressed many jws from becoming anointed.. recent wt articles & changes in thought has resulted in a surge in jws claiming this status.

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  Out...

  I have considered that. If they really truly believed the end was "right around the corner" then they would
  not have changed the definition of "this generation." They changed it (twice) in 15 years because they
  panicked. There are still babies around from 1914. They will be around for another 10 years or so.
  Why did Jehovah move them toward the 1995 change? Why did he move them to the 2008 change?
  The first one could have been to encourage some on the fence to remain in the flock, but why did Jehovah
  move them to the WRONG understanding to correct their WRONG understanding, just to correct it
  again 15 years later?

  Could you explain this please? I know about the change in "generation" in 1995, but what do you mean about that being corrected?

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  Why are Pedophile attracted to JWs?

  by MMae in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  badboy raised the above question in another thread.

  i was wondering how much jw training and/or fear of god played a role in jw childrens' victimization.

  these are my comments:.

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  In the UK I've seen kids working with people on the ministry who are not their parents. That happens a fair bit....especially when the kid reaches around 10 years old.

  In the cong I was in, the kids were encouraged to call their JW elders "uncle" or "aunty" - probably an extension of the brother sister thing.

  As for coverups.....JWs still hold to the two witness rule. JWs have secret judicial committees. So they are NOT like most other religions at all in this regard. They still actually teach that it is inadvisable to bring reproach upon Jehovahs name by involving secular authorities (police) and they still teach that there has to be two witnesses to the incident for the victim to be believed.

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  Spirit(s)

  by Narkissos in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  no, not that kind --> .

  i'm thinking about the notion of "spirit" as used in the bible, ancient and medieval religion as well as "superstition"... that which is common to "angels," "demons," "ghosts," "souls," the "holy spirit/ghost" -- and even "god," at least according to the fourth gospel; that which underlies such widely different concepts as "spirituality," "spiritualism" or "spiritism".. it seems to me that by stepping into "modernity" we have shifted from a worldview in which the notion of "spirit" was taken for granted and ubiquitous to another in which it is no longer understood.

  the johannine sentence "god is spirit" sounds like explaining obscura per obscuriora.

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  shitzophreniacs

  ROFL @ that spelling. Sorry.

  For me, Spirit = The conscious discarnate essence of a person whose physical body died

  or Spirit = a conscious being who exists without a physical body

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  Why are Pedophile attracted to JWs?

  by MMae in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  badboy raised the above question in another thread.

  i was wondering how much jw training and/or fear of god played a role in jw childrens' victimization.

  these are my comments:.

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  I think you are underestimating pedophiles!

  YES they would go through the indoctrination. This is an organisation who do the following

  1. Allow children to be alone with adults who are not their parents - quite often in ministry situations and at parties

  2. Teach children that the adults are their "uncles" and "aunties" and to trust JWs only

  3. HIDE the evidence when abuse is accused! JWs is a religion where a pedo is more likely to get away with it even if the child does talk!

  It happens outside the JWs but I don't doubt that pedos would join if they knew about this stuff.

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  Why are Pedophile attracted to JWs?

  by MMae in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  badboy raised the above question in another thread.

  i was wondering how much jw training and/or fear of god played a role in jw childrens' victimization.

  these are my comments:.

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  Jeffrey

  Whilst sexual abuse is widespread, I do believe that the JWs could attract such a person into their ranks.

  A pedophile is looking for children and wants the opportunity to abuse. Therefore if that person discovers the JW they will be likely to recognise the vulnerability of the children within that particular faith.

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  Dubs and doorbells -- has there been some "new light"?

  by parakeet in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this afternoon my husband looked out the window and saw two unmistakable dubs shuffling up our street.

  he didn't have time to warn me before they came to our door (he knows i get a bit testy whenever they visit).

  i was in a nearby room, but heard nothing, saw nothing.

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  Door dodging is the height of hypocrisy imho. Why get dressed up, go out to the doors and then not talk to anyone.

  ROFL. Well the idea is that your fellow JWs see you out in service. That way, they think you are "spiritual" and they will still invite you to gatherings and things.

  Also, you can put the hours you do onto the little slip and the congregation secretary won't come asking you why your hours are less.

  Actually preaching isn't the purpose. Seriously.

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  How did you build a new life outside of the JWs?

  by Sirona in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  "if you leave jehovah's organisation, where will you go?".

  no doubt many of us have been asked that question.

  so where did you "go" when you left the jws?

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  Some great responses! and I like this:

  4. What is the best advice you can think of to give to someone who has recently left the JWs - in terms of how to rebuild their life? Don't lose hope. Life will only get better and better.

  Sirona