Seedy, I'd be very interested to read that paper...
Sirona
Posts by Sirona
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9`Jehovah'.A pagan/political connection
by badboy inthe name `jehovah' appears on a liverpool creamware jug with a transfer-print of spencer percival assassination on 1 side and john wesley on the other side.
(methodist recorder,issue 7562,page 8.. i also understand that the tetragramm was assoiceted with baal.
in view of the assoication with the death of a man and a pagan god,is jehovah an appropriate name 2 use.
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`Jehovah'.A pagan/political connection
by badboy inthe name `jehovah' appears on a liverpool creamware jug with a transfer-print of spencer percival assassination on 1 side and john wesley on the other side.
(methodist recorder,issue 7562,page 8.. i also understand that the tetragramm was assoiceted with baal.
in view of the assoication with the death of a man and a pagan god,is jehovah an appropriate name 2 use.
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Prove it.
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Should I "come out" to my JW mum?
by Sirona infirst of all, i'm not gay so its not *that* sort of coming out.
question is: "should i tell my jw mum that i am now a pagan"?.
i'm one of those unusual (stupid?
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Iwasyoungonce: No I am not ashamed of being pagan. You make a good point that I should not have to pretend to be someone I am not....I agree. Its just difficult.
There was a development yesterday. After posting this and reading the replies, I resolved to tell her "something".
Last night she was asking me about a party I'm having and asking me who would be there. I told her that some people would be there from a "spirituality group" that I've been going to. She immediately looked a bit shocked and asked me if its born again christians! (how wrong can you be?!) I said "no". She asked if it was "spiritualism" and I said NO. I chickened out. I told her it was "more along the lines of buddhism". Now before you say anything - this isn't a lie. I do consider my beliefs to be similar in many respects to buddhism. Note that I didn't say I was buddhist.
So how did she react? She's heard the word Buddhism and basically she sat shaking her head saying "oh dear, oh dear....."
The conversation ended well, and I thought that even though I haven't told her the whole story, its maybe a good introduction to ease her into it. She now knows I'm not christian which I think was a hard thing for her to hear.
Sentinel - its just that sort of misinformation that makes it so hard for Wicca/Pagans to tell others of their faith. We all realise that there are devil worshippers, but the trouble is that fundies lump us all together into one group! Yes, I fear that I will be labelled and rejected.
Swan, you may be right that leaving a book out would be an idea. One of the tamer ones perhaps with a non-shocking title! LOL. I would love to have that feeling of empowerment you talked about. I've realised that in many ways I do let my mum upset me and I don't tell her how I feel.
Wren - I think it must be important to reassure others that "black magick" is nothing to do with my practice/beliefs. I recently told someone else (a friend) of my beliefs and she asked me if things fly around my house (cause of demons!) - of course I said "NO!" feeling shocked but I guess to her that is a natural question.
Sirona
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NOT placing BOOKS? Spiritually weak!
by Alligator Wisdom ina few months back we had the usual elders/ms meeting with the circuit overseer during his visit.
there was a point that the co had emphasized and it brought me sick to my stomach anyone didn't put the effort to make such placements, that these publishers were in need of spiritual help and that we (elders/ms) should help such ones to do so.
talk about the pressure!
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Still MS? Why don't you use the opportunity to get the message across to some of the dubs while you are there?
Sirona
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Should I "come out" to my JW mum?
by Sirona infirst of all, i'm not gay so its not *that* sort of coming out.
question is: "should i tell my jw mum that i am now a pagan"?.
i'm one of those unusual (stupid?
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Matty - thanks - you are right, I'm in for a rough ride no matter what.
Vivamus - I'm thinking that it might be better to tell her just because I know she'll find out sooner or later. Its just going to be hurtful. I've had enough of her blaming my problems on not being a JW - now she's gonna say I'm demon possessed or something. eek.
Dizzy - thats the point - in HER HEAD she will think I've gone onto Satan's side. Don't they think that anyway though?
Robdar - maybe I should take that tactic. Maybe I should just leave things lying around and answer the questions when they come. I could ease her in gently by just letting her see the odd thing maybe at first..... sounds like a good idea perhaps.
Francois - unfortunately she doesn't have an open mind. This is the woman who thinks star trek has demonic overtones. (*what* will I do??!) Also francois - I've done over 900 posts - what made you think I'm new to the board? LOL!
Silverleaf. - I agree that I shouldn't hide and that my religion is not a "secret" one by any means - at least not nowadays. Its good to hear you braved it and survived with your parents!
Ashitaka - I should not hide. I *do* feel that the JW religion is affecting my life too much at the moment. WHY should I pamper to their bigoted ideas?
I'm seriously thinking of telling her I go to a "spirituality group" and then giving more information as it comes up. That way, I'm not alarming her with the word pagan straight away.
(eek....all scared....)
Sirona
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Save Money At Christmas!
by Sirona in.
edited to put into the jokes folder!
edited by - sirona on 27 november 2002 10:25:14.
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edited to put into the jokes folder!
Edited by - Sirona on 27 November 2002 10:25:14
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NOT placing BOOKS? Spiritually weak!
by Alligator Wisdom ina few months back we had the usual elders/ms meeting with the circuit overseer during his visit.
there was a point that the co had emphasized and it brought me sick to my stomach anyone didn't put the effort to make such placements, that these publishers were in need of spiritual help and that we (elders/ms) should help such ones to do so.
talk about the pressure!
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Alligator, are you a MS?
I agree that it is sickening and it happens all too often. The books are rubbish anyway.
Sirona
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Should I "come out" to my JW mum?
by Sirona infirst of all, i'm not gay so its not *that* sort of coming out.
question is: "should i tell my jw mum that i am now a pagan"?.
i'm one of those unusual (stupid?
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Hi Everyone,
First of all, I'm not Gay so its not *that* sort of coming out.
Question is: "Should I tell my JW mum that I am now a pagan"?
I'm one of those unusual (stupid?) individuals who chose to become a Pagan after leaving the dubs. Actually, the pagan group I associate with describe themselves as Wicca (or Witches) but I prefer to use Pagan. Before you say it, Yes I am one of those people who has to be out of the ordinary!
The problem is that its becoming increasingly difficult to hide my beliefs from my mum, who is JW. Whilst living at her house I carefully hid any evidence of my being pagan. (animal sacrifices were hid under the bed....) Now I have my own home, I absolutely refuse to hide my things - mostly books that would give me away - I used to explain away candles and crystals saying it was Feng Shui (until that bloody Feng Shui article in the WT! now I can't even get away with that).
Why would I tell her? I hear you ask. Well first of all there is a good chance she will go into my house one day and see my books with titles like "The Witches Goddess" and "Witchcraft and Magick Spells". At which point I expect her to have a cardiac arrest.
Then there is the fact that I have quite a lot of pagan friends now. I have to avoid mentioning them.....and in the new year I'm thinking of having a make-up party at my house so who do I invite? My mum would no doubt find out I'm having the party and wonder why she wasn't invited.
The main reason I've kept it secret so far has been that I was living in her house and I knew I couldn't stand the tension of her judgements. Now I'm in my own home I want to be able to have pictures/books/candles whatever on display where I want them and not worry about my mum coming round seeing them.
Funnily enough, I think she already suspects (perhaps the pentagram I wear that she quizzed me about? she thought it was a star of david).
Should I tell her? HOW? ARGH. If I do I will have to be prepared for the S*it to hit the fan big time. Maybe I could ease her into it gently?
Sirona
PS. The animal sacrifice comment was a joke just in case there are any fundie harry potter haters reading this.
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Question about reproof
by Sirona injehovahs witnesses over on another board are telling me that elders can reprove someone (who sinned and is repentant) privately and that that person does not lose their priveledges.
has anyone here been reproved and kept all their congregation duties?
if so, what does "reproof" actually mean?.
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Thanks all. So it seems that although the elders manual says restrictions are always applied, they are not always applied at the discretion of the elders. Again - giving the control of peoples lives to "imperfect" men. (huh...great idea...)
Sirona
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Was it normal to have so many meetings?
by JH inhow many meetings a week, do you think we should have had in order to be reasonable and not overdone?
maybe 30 or 40 years ago, when woman didnt work, or when life was a little easier, that all these meetings every 2 days was ok, but today with life being so stressful, and with all the time it takes commuting, is it normal to still have so many meetings.
nothing changed in the last 50 years as far as meetings go.
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Was it normal to have so many meetings?
What is normal? Talking statistically, 5 religious meetings a week is not normal, I suppose.
I honestly think that this time spent at the meetings is a form of brainwashing.
Sirona