Posts by notsurewheretogo

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New 1975? Jan 1st WT 2014

by notsurewheretogo in

this post was taken from reddit exjw but makes a very good point:.

these are two paragraphs of the watchtower of january 1st 2014.... .

i don't know about you guys, but in my mind, i'm seeing a deja vu of the articles before 1975 i've read.

The point is in the Jan edition they state, on record, that the second group of anointed who overlap the first group were not only born but were anointed when members of the first group were on the earth...

So it's NOT an overlapping generation on birth but on being anointed making the overall two generations overlapping smaller and since the WT states the second group are already "in advanced years" it means then that to a beliving dub that the Big A is practically in the next year or two...

This WT will not stand the test of time, even for a few years because they would have it change it....again.

And I agree...Mark Sanderson cannot be in this group.

John Barr was born in 1913 and even if he was anointed at 18 that would have been in 1931...so Mark Sanderson mixing with him doesn't count as the two groups overlapping...John Barr was not anointed in or around 1914...

It needs to be those who were anointed who understood the birth of the kingdom and actually witnessed 1914 overlap with those who were anointed whilst these first group were on the earth.

So John Barr would have in fact being part of the second group if he witnessed the Great Tribulation.

Surely that doesn't leave that many on the earth and if they are they must ber very old.

This explanation of the "generation" is getting wilder and wilder...

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New 1975? Jan 1st WT 2014

by notsurewheretogo in

this post was taken from reddit exjw but makes a very good point:.

these are two paragraphs of the watchtower of january 1st 2014.... .

i don't know about you guys, but in my mind, i'm seeing a deja vu of the articles before 1975 i've read.

notsurewheretogo

This post was taken from Reddit EXJW but makes a very good point:

These are two paragraphs of the Watchtower of January 1st 2014...

I don't know about you guys, but in my mind, I'm seeing a deja vu of the articles before 1975 I've read. They're outright saying that the old ass anointed people aren't going to die before the tribulation. And they even say, "these are advancing in years"... Have they decided yet again when this is going to happen? How much longer until they give a vague date? Here is the quote:

15 In his detailed prophecy about the conclusion of this system of things, Jesus said: “ This generation will by no means pass away until all these things happen. ” (Read Matthew 24:33-35.) We understand that in mentioning “this generation,” Jesus was referring to two groups of anointed Christians. The ﬁrst group was on hand in 1914, and they readily discerned the sign of Christ’s presence in that year. Those who made up this group were not merely alive in 1914, but they were spirit-anointed as sons of God in or before that year. —Rom. 8:14-17. 16

The second group included in “this generation” are anointed contemporaries of the ﬁrst group. They were not simply alive during the lifetime of those in the ﬁrst group, but they were anointed with holy spirit during the time that those of the ﬁrst group were still on earth. (implying that this second group are made up of pretty old people)

Thus, not every anointed person today is included in “this generation” of whom Jesus spoke.Today, those in this second group are themselves advancing in years. Yet, Jesus’ words at Matthew 24:34 give us conﬁdence that at least some of “this generation will by no means pass away” before seeing the start of the great tribulation.

This should add to our conviction that little time remains before the King of God’s Kingdom acts to destroy the wicked and usher in a righteous new world.—2 Pet. 3:13.

Wow people. Is this some new understanding or something? Have they just decided to put a time when the end will come?

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Have you read C.T. Russell's controversial view of "new light"?

by Island Man in

"if we were following a man undoubtedly it would be different with us; undoubtedly one human idea would contradict another and that which was light one or two or six years ago would be regarded as darkness now: but with god there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning, and so it is with truth; any knowledge or light coming from god must be like its author.

a new view of truth never can contradict a former truth.

new light never extinguishes older light, but adds to it.

notsurewheretogo

This thread doesn't count anymore in a JW's mind...Charlie boy, Mr Russell if you will...was NOT a member of the FDS class as he died in 1916 and as JW's know the appointment of the FDS was in 1919 thus whatever was said prior to that appointment cannot be 100% relied upon.

And therein lies why the GB changed the teaching on the FDS!!!!

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Watchtower Eliminated the "Evil Slave Class" according to E-Watchman? True or False?

by AuntConnie in

looking for information to make the july 15th, 2013 watchtower make sense, i came across the e-watchman website.

is he a jehovah's witnesses waiting for the reformation or a apostate like all of us on jwn?.

his post on the "faithful and evil slave" is very enlightening, according to his question he received from his readers, the watchtower said "there is no evil slave class" to eliminate fear the evil slave is working at bethel!.

notsurewheretogo

The GB simply say the evil slave class doesn't exist due to the word "if"...its a hypothetical slave class....

Interesting arguement considering it says "If the master arrives"...

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What happened in 97-98 to reduce the increase?

by Splash in

looking at the yearly stats, it's apparent that something happened in 1997/98 which caused the increase %ge to drop off a cliff and remain low.. take a look:.

yearpeak pubsincreaseincrease %1981-822,477,608115,7124.8991982-832,652,323174,7157.0521983-842,842,531190,2087.1711984-853,024,131181,6006.3891985-863,229,022204,8916.7751986-873,395,612166,5905.1591987-883,592,654197,0425.8031988-893,787,188194,5345.4151989-904,017,213230,0256.0741990-914,278,820261,6076.5121991-924,472,787193,9674.5331992-934,709,889237,1025.3011993-944,914,094204,2054.3361994-955,199,895285,8015.8161995-965,413,769213,8744.1131996-975,599,931186,1623.4391997-985,888,650288,7195.1561998-995,912,49223,8420.4051999-006,035,564123,0722.0822000-016,117,66682,1021.3602001-026,304,645186,9793.0562002-036,429,351124,7061.9782003-046,513,13283,7811.3032004-056,613,829100,6971.5462005-066,741,444127,6151.9302006-076,957,854216,4103.2102007-087,124,443166,5892.3942008-097,313,173188,7302.6492009-107,508,050194,8772.6652010-117,659,019150,9692.0112011-127,782,346123,3271.610anyone know why this was?.

splash.

notsurewheretogo

Are we sure it's not a typo?

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Watching "Waiting for Armageddon"

by Anony Mous in

it's a documentary on people that are waiting for the rapture, armageddon etc.

basically anything evangelical and fundamental christians believe in.

even though the documentary doesn't make any commentary, it seems that jw's aren't the only one scaring their children and members and making an entire industry around it.

notsurewheretogo

OR.....the Big A ain't gonna happen...not by a supernatural force anyway...scare tactics...

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A major change in the new song book I initially overlooked

by slimboyfat in

it occurred to me the other day that i am beginning to forget the tunes to all the old kingdom songs i once knew by heart.

so i have started recording myself singing a few of my favourites from the old song book and uploading them to youtube.

and it struck me as i was singing them how many of the old songs have a military theme running through them, with references to warfare, soldiers, weapons and so on.

notsurewheretogo

There are also a few that sounds like Xmas Carols...

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Why do you think they changed their mind on organ transplants?

by Separation of Powers in

from 1967 to early 1980, the watchtower stated that organ transplants were tantamount to "cannibalism.

" then, suddenly, the position was changed to organ transplants being a "conscience matter.

" so, my question, why the change?

notsurewheretogo

Perhaps due to the fact there is sod all in the bible about organ transplants????? And the cannibalism/personality transplant is utter false...it took 13 years and perhaps a lot of lives for the HS to correct that teaching...that point confuses a lot of dubs...

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The temple and heaven and earth

by Crazyguy in

i read a comentary about how the jw's changed the greek word so they could claim that the great crowd are not standing before the throne in rev 7:9 but out side the inner temple and in the court yard so to speak on earth.

my question is does the bible say somewhere that the inner temple means heaven and out side the inner sanctuary is the earth?.

notsurewheretogo

Indeed...the naos and heiron examples is one of the biggest lies the WT has made that is really apparent...and it too helped me to "wake up".

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Faders shunned now?

by Sammy Jenkis in

hi all so my family had their c.a.

last weekend and my mother dropped this one on me, she'll now be treating me as a df'd person per info she received from a talk at the assembly.

apparently a fader should be treated as "bad association" given the fact they up and left the holy "truth" to splash around in vomit.. .

notsurewheretogo

They are not saying to shun faders as they said in a recent WT that they want to reach out to such ones like Jebus did with the wandering sheep...

What they are saying to dubs is those who show by their life course and life style that they don't really believe that these are the last days and the Big A is knocking on your door then they will be viewed as bad association...