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  The 144,000 cause a SLIGHT problem!

  by The Searcher in

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  2. beliefs

  the following five references succinctly explain that christ's sacrifice exactly matched what was lost by adam.

  that's why christ is described as the "last adam.

  " (1 corinthians 15:45) .

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  Dubs will say that Paul was primarily addressing the 144,000...or ALL in the case of Paul's audience...
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  "The organisation is imperfect, but it doesn't affect my relationship with Jehovah"

  by Alive! in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've noted active, devoted jw's state the above.. and, it's not a problem for me to remain trusting of god, i just don't trust religions or men.. recently, a member of this forum stated that he remains an active jw, in the family of god's people, wanting to encourage and do good - whilst recognising that the pastoral leaders (the gb) have shipwrecked the faith of many, being unsound scripturally etc, etc.. stop and think about this - the bible says to not follow after those who lie and hurt the faith of "little ones".. the pharisees were accused of traversing over lands and expending much energy to make a single convert - only for that convert to end up worse of than he started off with.. it's one thing to not believe this is the 'truth' and feeling the awful pressure of managing ones life, trying not to lose ones family.. it's quite another thing to declare oneself to be a christian believer of god's jw household, and somehow believe the god of love would use corrupt liars to parade as jesus' brothers in the urgency of last days.

  really?

  and, to then visibly promote faith in corrupt men, and try to bring converts into a place where the rulership is wrong.. some of us are dying from hurt here.......give me a break..

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  But the organisation cannot be imperfect IF God or Holy Spirit is directing it.

  Yes, individuals within the organisation are imperfect but when the GB comes together as that group of men and IF Holy Spirit is directing them then the GB, and in turn the Organisation, CAN NEVER EVER BE WRONG UNLESS God is wrong.

  The Holy Spirit would overshadow and cover the imperfections much like it supposedly covered over the imperfections in Mary's egg for Jesus to be born perfect.

  If the Organisation does get it wrong and a JW says that Jehoover adjusts at a later date then how could anyone put their full trust and be obedient to what they say? How could they ever trust with their lives ie the Blood doctrine IF the organisation is imperfect and Jehoover makes them see new light to adjust them at a later date?

  I'm sorry but logic in this arguement always wins...it's just the JW never sees the logic.
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  Does the GB really care if the organization collapses?

  by Driving Force in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i am sure that the gb does not care about the r&f jw.

  it does not care about the organization collapsing overnight.. why do i say this?.

  in 2013 the organization declared that the "faithful and discreet slave" consisted only of the seven member of the gb.

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  Read Don Cameron's Captives to a Concept book...it brilliantly explains why the GB are "all in" and they firmly believe they are chosen...and no evidence to oppose that view matters.
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  Governing Body Public Address - today!

  by diamondblue1974 in

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  2. friends

  any ideas what this is about?

  - apparently a three hour public address through each kingdumb hell from the gb.

  anyone heard anything about this?.

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  notsurewheretogo

  Yet his plans can easily be derailed by a naked lady and a talking snake!
  

  True of all of us!
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  CO says "WE ARE NOW AT THE THRESHOLD OF THE THE GREAT TRIBULATION!"

  by nowwhat? in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  40-50 years after saying "armegeddon is right around the corner" we are now making progress!!!.

  gotta have a sense of humor to deal with this stuff..

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  Those who heard the announcements from the society 30 years ago that the GT was close overlaps with those who WILL see the GT start...promise.
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  Did God have a man to man talk with Adam?

  by James Mixon in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i wonder did god instruct adam about the no, no's in procreation and sex.. look adam i know you may feel a little odd, looking at the other animals.

  having fun.

  so i giving you a mate, but don't do like the birds, horses and .

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  Adam: "God, what on earth is going with this thing every morning? It it supposed to grow like that and stand up? It really makes going to the toilet harder but hey I've nearly reach the height of that giraffe. And why do I get this urge to stick it somewhere? And just WHAT do you mean about the bird and the bees cos I ain't seeing them do diddly squat...PS could you make it bigger?"
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  Quote where the WT said leave the research to us?

  by notsurewheretogo in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  has anyone got the quote from the societies publication where they advise to leave the research to them?.

  i know in the september 2007 km they warned about independent study groups but i'm sure there was a quote from the 50's or 60's where they told the rank publisher to leave the research to the gb?.

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  That's the one Splash...many thanks!
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  Quote where the WT said leave the research to us?

  by notsurewheretogo in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  has anyone got the quote from the societies publication where they advise to leave the research to them?.

  i know in the september 2007 km they warned about independent study groups but i'm sure there was a quote from the 50's or 60's where they told the rank publisher to leave the research to the gb?.

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  Has anyone got the quote from the societies publication where they advise to leave the research to them?

  I know in the September 2007 KM they warned about independent study groups but I'm sure there was a quote from the 50's or 60's where they told the rank publisher to leave the research to the GB?
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  Interesting point about elders appointment by holy spirit (apostacy case)

  by joe134cd in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i was just listening to a jc for apostasy on jwstruggle.

  the issue was raised if elders are appointed by holy spirit, then why is there such an issue with sex abuse.

  the answer was given (and i thought it was quite true) well jesus was the son of god and he appointed judas under holy spirit, just to have him turn on him.

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  The problem is though that some JW's are secret child abusers and THEN they become appointed and that is when you question any operation of this magical non-entity like force called Holy Spirit.
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  1975 failed prediction?

  by Garrett in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  heyo,.

  your favorite garrett here.

  so, i'm about to have an elder tell me allll about the failed 1975 doctrine.

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  notsurewheretogo

  Is the GB spirit directed? They answer "Yes"

  When the GB release new light does it have the backing of the Holy Spirit? They will answer "Yes"

  So who got the old light wrong? Jehoover/Holy Spirit or men?

  If they answer Jehoover then he is a god of falsehood so bye bye.

  If they answer men then the bible warns about following men...how can we then trust them that they have it right now and how can we obediently follow them 100% IF they get it wrong and Jehoover THEN corrects them with new light?

  You can't have your cake and eat it...it's either Jehoover teaches us falsehood or the men are not directed by Holy Spirit...either way equates to having nothing to do with the JW's.