...one question about anything and get a straight answer, what would it be?
historical, philosophical, theological, eschatological, anything.
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So if you are not inspired and get things wrong in terms of doctrine and policy just what is "spirit directed" then in the organzation? Toilet rotas?
If you are not infallible and not inspired and doctrines and policies are wrong then why do you expect people to 100% follow your counsel and make life-changing or even life-taking decisions that may not be true?
there are many on this site that do not believe that jehovah truly exists; that he is not a real being.
but, he is as real as next breath you draw into your nostrils.. some of you say that there is no evidence that he exists.
yet, none of you can prove that he does not exits.. cofty, (you come to mind), i appreciate that you have stated, without reservation, that you do not believe that god exists.. yet, you cannot prove it.. hope in jehovah..
Let me tell you a story:
This story involves some members of the Christian Congregation. These ones were baptized under their given names becoming members of the Congregation.
One day, they saw this large edifice off into the distance. They became very curious and decided to enter. Inside, were those dressed in long black robes with diadems on their heads. And, on these diadems, were inscribed their new names - their Usernames. The ones in the black robes were speaking the most vile things. Taunting Jehovah’s people and cursing him.
Who are these ones? They are GOG’S CROWD.
Well that is me convinced...amazing logic and proof...
several months ago i approached a nice young couple who were standing by a jw literature stand in my local community.
they were pleasant and polite but incredibly stilted when it came to answering my "innocent" questions about their beliefs.
this was the occasion of jws featuring the article headlined "is religion dying?".
They were pioneers...just getting time in...not interested in speaking to people! What were you thinking??? :)
i'm looking for a bit of guidance here and not really sure where to turn.
maybe someone has been in a similar situation and can help me out.. currently i'm an awake, baptized jw.
have been for a few years.
It's exactly these situations that I use to my still-in wife...thank you for posting albeit very difficult circumstances for the OP.
But given the GB have come out and said they can be wrong then the above example shows it is utterly futile and stupid to make a decision that may cost you your life IF the information you base that decision on can be wrong.
This is the point I make with my still-in family.
it's great that the following is officially mentioned in the royal commission's report:.
when asked if the governing body members saw themselves as ‘jehovah god’s spokespeople on earth’, mr geoffrey jackson answered that it ‘would seem to be quite presumptuous to say that we are the only spokesperson that god is using’.
mr jackson’s response seems to be inconsistent with the documentary evidence before the royal commission, which shows that jehovah’s witnesses believe that the governing body is the ‘channel’ by which jehovah’s ‘will’ is communicated to them..
Er well they just admitted that the GB are not inspired nor directed by god and thus get things wrong in policies and doctrines thus was that them admitting they have been presumptous???
lasting memory of the latter period of time in the organisation:.
i had a route call with the magazines whom i'd called on for a number of years.
eventually when i become a parent i became consumed with negativity, doubt (blood issue) & depression.
Mental issues are increasing in the world...but it seems more so in the JW land.
As I have mentioned to many who are still in, it is the fact they are trying to live up to something you cannot really do.
No-one, not one JW can do everything that is asked/forced on them.
Think about it.
When a JW fails in one of these areas and then they hear about or read about how a JW can do it in these fake magazine examples they instantly feel like they are not worthy, not good enough...always striving but never getting there.
This is why JW's suffer mental issues or burnout.
Once they learn to exit as we did, relax and enjoy our lives as we should then life is much happier!
reports are coming from witnesses that, once again, the number of memorial partakers has risen considerably this past year, 2016. while confirmation is still to come on the exact numbers, the current explanations given for this increase surely causes a dilemma.. imagine the roman catholic church publishing each year the number of members who it felt were mistaken about what they believed in, that this same number of members was likely suffering from problems such as pride or even mental disorders or something along this line.
this number, by the way, was in the thousands too and growing annually.
what would you conclude, therefore about the catholic church and its admission?.
They will, at some point, say that the anointed are only the ones on the GB, everyone else is not anointed.
what was it in the evolution of religion that got them so hung up about what people do with their genitalia?.
i mean, the (mis)use of genitalia is up there with murdering another human being in terms of badness.. and in the 21st century, we have a situation where in the jw religion, it's deemed as acceptable for three middle aged/old men to sit a teenage girl down and ask her the details of her use of her genitals.
to any normal person this is intrusive, completely inappropriate and bordering on deviancy.. why they so obsessed?.
Sexual repression pure and simple...
okay there has been lots of buzz about the feb 2017 wt where they say the governing body is not inspired nor infallible.
yet, they are still using the baptism questions.
the second one being... "do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of jehovah’s witnesses in association with god’s spirit-directedorganization?".
Spirit directed and inspired are the same thing...if the GB are wrong they cannot be directed by God or his spirit.
I can't see how you cannot be inspired but directed by God and yet still err in doctrines and policies.
i proably shouldnt be on here but i feel like saying this.
i have been for the last couple weeks been studying religion.
i've learned the only ones who today do what the bible says to is jw.
Popcorn at the ready...haven't had a dub on here in a while!
