Posts by notsurewheretogo

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help me think like an elder

by Homer notsimpson in

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ok guys, i have been tasked to ask for your opinions regarding this case.. and be honest.

my brother sexted a girl a little over a year ago, they never dated, and she got mad at him.... she got engaged and the engagement ended in august.. she attempted suicide, then talked to the elders an told him she was gonna tell on him too, now that was in august, the sister told my brother that since she didn't know his hall they couldn't do anything.. we found that doesn't seem right, so hes been freaking out, but ita now two days away from 2017 and the elders haven't speaked to him yet.. why could that be?

could they give him all this time to confess?

notsurewheretogo

I had a case in our hall when I was an elder when a married woman admitted after a talk about honesty that she gave oral sex to many boys when she was growing up in a different hall.

Whilst we helped her and her husband (who naturally was miffed) through it we had the duty to notify the other congregation of the boys, teenagers, what had happened.

We sent a letter...heard nothing...no action was ever taken against them.

Tell your brother to deny it, even if she saved the picture just get your brother to say he lost his phone for a while so any messages he never sent.

There is no way in hell they would write to the branch over a minor issue like this.

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Honest Questions About Child Abuse

by Richard Oliver in

i have two honest questions for everyone here.

i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.

but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.

notsurewheretogo

But what has any of this to do with your original question? You asked why we had beef with the WT?

That has been answered. You are determined to apportion the blame of child abuse in JW congregations away from the WT hierarchy.

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Hello

by midnight in

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friends

hi i am posting for the first time although i've been looking for a few years , i was born into a witness family left when i was 12 with my parents went back at 22 pioneered became ms started to have major doubts around 2002 when there was a lot of talk about blood fractions etc have been hit and miss since i'm extremely mentally confused as to wether or not this really is jehovah's earthly organisation , i find life hard facing up to mortality etc not having the new system hope , what nailed your decision to leave ?

how did you cope with world problems on news etc ?

how did you fill the void ?

notsurewheretogo

Hey midnight...glad you posted.

First off I would recommend that you do research, jwfacts.com, threads on here and other sites to really clarify your belief in that if the JW's are God's organisation. If you are on the fence with that, whether you are unsure or not I found makes life hard.

As soon as I fully convinced through fact and reason that there is no way it can be God's organisation then life becomes much more enjoyable.

The prospect of dying, world news etc is tough at the start but it goes away because you realize you can really enjoy your life now, fill the void with things you like, travelling, hobbies, friends and family etc.

But given where you are I would advise you really sort out in your head whether it is God's organisation, I can tell you it is not but you need to come to that conclusion yourself and then it is like a veil being lifted.

A book that really helped me was Captives to a Concept by Don Cameron...you can get it in PDF format off the internet, it really was wonderful in helping me see that God is not using the JW's.

And welcome, there are a good bunch of exjw's here who have all gone through this process, we can all help each other.

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SCOTLAND: Livingston Kingdom Hall

by darkspilver in

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friends

i think this deserves it's own thread, so as not to get mixed-up tl;dr - go to the bar charts at the end...picking up on jambon1's comments:.

the one in the op - livingston, was a merge to the newly built assembly hall in the same area.

i think three congs share that building now.. nice wee scoop up of the cash from the sale of livingston and whitburn.

notsurewheretogo

I've heard that they do not rent other towwn halls from quite far away...folks as far as Perth, Crieff etc have to travel a fair bit for their assemblies because he WT doesn't want to splash cash on nearer venues.

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SCOTLAND: Livingston Kingdom Hall

by darkspilver in

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friends

i think this deserves it's own thread, so as not to get mixed-up tl;dr - go to the bar charts at the end...picking up on jambon1's comments:.

the one in the op - livingston, was a merge to the newly built assembly hall in the same area.

i think three congs share that building now.. nice wee scoop up of the cash from the sale of livingston and whitburn.

notsurewheretogo

Been to those halls many times...elders are weird...kids are out of control yet are MS etc cause they get away with everything.

Hated them...everything is about money, possessions etc to them.

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Honest Questions About Child Abuse

by Richard Oliver in

i have two honest questions for everyone here.

i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.

but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.

notsurewheretogo

Let me get this straight...the Watchtower allows congregations to form, friendships to be made and the WT has certain policies that members must stick to but the WT states they do not need to report sexual crimes against children nor tell the congregation a member has committed such act YET wonders why people want the WT to be responsible?

The WT governs congregations, it governs appointments and governs sexual abuse policy ignoring many common sense practices like notifying members of a case...100% the WT is responsible...if the WT changed these policies then the abuse might not happen.

For instance, a member can be privately reproved for sexual abuse of children, the elders may deem he is repentant but at field service groups they never pair him with a child.

What is stopping the offender to make a private ministry arrangement with a congregation members child and abuse them? The elders would not know about the arrangement and the parents know nothing about the previous abuse.

The WT therefore contributes to the sexual abuse of children.

100% responsible in creating the conditions where abuse of children can occur AND be hidden.

It is clear Richard is "still in" mentally. The questions he ask are through a JW lens.

Take the red pill and wake up.

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"Just have faith in Jehovah..."

by evilApostate in

i recently spoke to an old friend of mine who is still under the clutches of the watchtower.

a while back, i had told him about all the child sex abuse coverups, false prophecies, false doctrines etc.

he was really shocked and surprised.

notsurewheretogo

How can a person have faith in "Jehovah" when their very definition and explanation of "him" comes from an interpretation of the bible from men who admit they are not inspired, controlled or directed by "Him" and can get things wrong?

It is circular reasoning to trust in "Jehovah" when the very reason you are being told that is you do not trust the men who explain just who, what, why, where "Jehovah" is to you.

Mental.

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2 bilion income from selling HQ now

by Gorbatchov in

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friends

the wts has a tax free income of 2 bilion dollar now by selling the brooklyn hq (beside other recent money schemes).

were has the money gone?.

it must be somewere.. g..

notsurewheretogo

And yet they have the nerve to setup a new box for donations in the UK JUST for the new Bethel site...they can GTF.

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I feel really, really sorry for those born into the Jehovah's Witness religion

by jambon1 in

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friends

some facts that make the difference between you and me:.

1 - as a person raised by non jw family, my parents have never loved me based on conditions set out by a group of old men who they don't even know.

how does it feel to know that you are in the unique situation where your parents brought you into the world and said 'i'll show love to you.

notsurewheretogo

My own kids say so.

We say so too...

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Will Governing Body stop preaching work?

by neat blue dog in

at this year's annual meeting (2016), david "mark" sanderson asks the audience the question, "are you determined to keep on preaching with us until we say the work is completed?

" to which they respond with applause.

do you think that stopping the preaching work will ever be a part of the gb's long range plan?

notsurewheretogo

They couldn't say it stops...as they use the scripture about preaching THEN the end will come...if they say stop then the end comes...and we know it won't thus they must perpetuate the myth that it needs to be preached.