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  Hailstone message AND everyone will be saved? Questions

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i’ve not been paying close attention to watchtower developments, but talking to a jw yesterday it occurred to me the society (yes, still use that term - old school) have been sending out mixed messages in recent years.

  from what i gather, a few years ago the gb announced that during the great tribulation jws would be required to preach a “hailstone message of judgement” which involved telling people it was too late for them to repent and they were definitely going to be destroyed.

  there were hints that this could be very soon, “any day now” preaching could stop and the hailstone message come in, kind of thing.

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  notsurewheretogo

  No you are twisting it.

  OLD LIGHT: You must be a baptised JW and righteous to survive Big A, everyone else dies at Big A and all unrighteous who died prior to Big A (unless like Hitler etc) get resurrected.

  NEW LIGHT: All baptised JW's and righteous JW's survive Big A and some who may not be JW's but have a righteous heart may survive the Big A, all unrighteous who dies prior to Big A (unless like Hitler etc) get resurrected.

  The difference is now they say officially some may not be a baptised JW but have the right heart and pass through the Big A and hence not necessary to HAVE to die before the Big A to survive it.

  But the key criteria is Jehovah sees their righteous heart and that they would be a good subject.

  That does not mean billions pass through the Big A. They simply changed the criteria from having to be a baptised JW to one who Jehovah sees their heart as righteous.
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  Hailstone message AND everyone will be saved? Questions

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i’ve not been paying close attention to watchtower developments, but talking to a jw yesterday it occurred to me the society (yes, still use that term - old school) have been sending out mixed messages in recent years.

  from what i gather, a few years ago the gb announced that during the great tribulation jws would be required to preach a “hailstone message of judgement” which involved telling people it was too late for them to repent and they were definitely going to be destroyed.

  there were hints that this could be very soon, “any day now” preaching could stop and the hailstone message come in, kind of thing.

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  notsurewheretogo

  If they are still alive when Armageddon comes they would get into paradise just as if they died beforehand unless they were really really bad.

  No no that is not what it means. It means they would get into the paradise even if alive at the Big A IF their heart was deemed good by Jehoover. That is a massive difference to what you are saying.

  Unrighteous ones have the same chance of being in paradise if they died beforehand or not.
  Going by this new light BILLIONS now living will never die

  It doesn't mean at that all! Stop posting this crap. The new light means IF the drug taker had a righteous heart he may be saved. It's not a guarantee ALL people are saved, only those that are deemed righteous by Jehoover and that will not be billions according to their doctrine.

  The new light is simply taking away their dogmatic approach as in "you must be baptised" to a more softer "Jehovah knows the heart and may preserve some even though not a follower depending on their heart".

  These would be very few but appeases the mother in your example.

  Unrighteous ones have the same chance of being in paradise if they died beforehand or not.

  Correct, a chance, but doesn't mean they will. 99% of the unrighteous will not. It's just softening their stance not to be so rigid. There is a chance all on earth convert to being a JW but it is unlikely.
  

  You are taking "a chance" and then suggesting it means billions will pass through. They won't according to their doctrine...it is just no longer hard and fast rule you must be a baptised JW.
  
  
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  Hailstone message AND everyone will be saved? Questions

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i’ve not been paying close attention to watchtower developments, but talking to a jw yesterday it occurred to me the society (yes, still use that term - old school) have been sending out mixed messages in recent years.

  from what i gather, a few years ago the gb announced that during the great tribulation jws would be required to preach a “hailstone message of judgement” which involved telling people it was too late for them to repent and they were definitely going to be destroyed.

  there were hints that this could be very soon, “any day now” preaching could stop and the hailstone message come in, kind of thing.

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  notsurewheretogo

  No, it just means that Jehoover will read hearts and they are now stating what has always been believed really.

  It doesn't mean billions will make it through. Yes that is possible but it doesn't mean it is likely. It is just like saying all people on earth will become JW's during the GT....it is possible but unlikely.

  All the GB have done is state what really has been mooted by dubs for years. That Jehoover will read hearts and allow some through etc. But not billions...just the dubs family members in the dubs mind and all the GB are doing is appeasing and tickling their ears.
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  Hailstone message AND everyone will be saved? Questions

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i’ve not been paying close attention to watchtower developments, but talking to a jw yesterday it occurred to me the society (yes, still use that term - old school) have been sending out mixed messages in recent years.

  from what i gather, a few years ago the gb announced that during the great tribulation jws would be required to preach a “hailstone message of judgement” which involved telling people it was too late for them to repent and they were definitely going to be destroyed.

  there were hints that this could be very soon, “any day now” preaching could stop and the hailstone message come in, kind of thing.

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  notsurewheretogo

  It is not "unrighteous loved ones" though is it. It is those that are deemed righteous during the GT as their hearts are changed by the events or simply deserve a resurrection.

  In no way does he GB or JW's interpret this as billions get though the Big A. It simply means any who know Jehovah prior but do not serve him and see the GT and then turn to him may be saved or deserve a resurrection in paradise.

  Billions do not know and will not suddenly become JW's during the GT. It doesn't mean billions of unrighteous will get saved at the Big A etc.

  This new light is simply appeasing those still in that their family who are out are not lost at all when the GT starts and Jehoover determines who gets resurrected and not being so dogmatic about it. It is a softening of their hardline stance. Not an open to billions stance.
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  Hailstone message AND everyone will be saved? Questions

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i’ve not been paying close attention to watchtower developments, but talking to a jw yesterday it occurred to me the society (yes, still use that term - old school) have been sending out mixed messages in recent years.

  from what i gather, a few years ago the gb announced that during the great tribulation jws would be required to preach a “hailstone message of judgement” which involved telling people it was too late for them to repent and they were definitely going to be destroyed.

  there were hints that this could be very soon, “any day now” preaching could stop and the hailstone message come in, kind of thing.

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  notsurewheretogo

  I don't think the new light means "billions" will be saved at the Big A even if they are not JW's. Their change to the understanding is simply to alleviate concerns to current Jdubs that the folks leaving are not walking corpses and that they are simply suggesting "we do not know how Jehoover will act with someone".
  
  To me they still believe you need to be baptised to be saved but they are being ambiguous with what occurs at the GT/Big A so as to help those in that they need not worry etc.
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  The secret 10 year plan to save the watchtower .

  by gavindlt in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  https://youtu.be/pszy22hzj8o.

  new light?.

  https://www.dadseekingtruth.com/.

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  notsurewheretogo

  What absolute nonsense.
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  What you think consequences gonna be for watchtower if they lose the court appeal in Norway?

  by Hellothere in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  personally i think they gonna realise god's not backing org.

  that idea gonna get even more established in their minds.

  i think the real selling of kingdom hall gonna start then.

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  notsurewheretogo

  They will not lose. Other similar court cases have been won and it would simply mean appeals to higher courts.

  The measure of success of this is not about the WT charity status but rather the continued exposure to the media on the WT and their practices, especially shunning.

  And for that we have already won.
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  Stop the Electric car solar power brainwashing Lies!!

  by Witness 007 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  ford e.v cars lost the company 1.3 billion in three months!

  i put 18 solar panels on my house but only get a small rebate $50 a quarter.

  bill is $400.

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  notsurewheretogo

  Eh? I have solar panels and they generate enough electricity to run my house in the summer with no cost during the day whilst I work from home. Home solar panels are not about the rebate you get but how much you save by not taking from the grid.

  I've saved a fortune the last 4 years as my house draws from solar rather than the grid. Excess is stored in batteries which the house uses at night.

  My monthly bill for electricity in the summer is £15 a month.
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  UK JW congregation charity status

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  have all the congregations in england abandoned their individual charity status and joined the kh trust charity?

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  i can't find any information about certain congregations on the uk charity commission's web site ..

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  notsurewheretogo

  Checking my local cong they updated their documents in Dec 2023 and are still a registered charity in the UK.
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  Now the Baptist Church is waking up to the Watchtower's scandals

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  https://www.jwupdates.com/post/jehovah-s-witnesses-sue-norway-after-registration-revoked.

  the following article appeared on baptist standard's online edition in january 18, 2024. other christian denominations are starting to pay attention to the legal cases against the watchtower and write about it.

  like the watchtower did in yester years with catholic csa cases.. oslo district court in norway is home to an ongoing trial after norway deregistered the jehovah’s witnesses last year.

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  notsurewheretogo

  The WT will win the Norway case sadly...it's clear from other cases where they have that are similar.

  But as the ex-JW Jan said in his summary its about telling their story and getting media coverage rather than the WT getting their charity status back which is a minor point.

  What is also interesting is the sheer desperation from the WT in their defence where they asked the court not to use any WT literature or policy in the case because it is "religious" texts.