i’ve not been paying close attention to watchtower developments, but talking to a jw yesterday it occurred to me the society (yes, still use that term - old school) have been sending out mixed messages in recent years.
from what i gather, a few years ago the gb announced that during the great tribulation jws would be required to preach a “hailstone message of judgement” which involved telling people it was too late for them to repent and they were definitely going to be destroyed.
there were hints that this could be very soon, “any day now” preaching could stop and the hailstone message come in, kind of thing.
A persons eternal future depends on their heart condition...if they die before the Big A they are guaranteed a resurrection.
If they are alive during the Big A they are reliant on the mercy of Jehoover and reading of their heart.
This doesn't equate to billions passing through Armageddon.
Not sure what you guys are smoking.
i’ve not been paying close attention to watchtower developments, but talking to a jw yesterday it occurred to me the society (yes, still use that term - old school) have been sending out mixed messages in recent years.
from what i gather, a few years ago the gb announced that during the great tribulation jws would be required to preach a “hailstone message of judgement” which involved telling people it was too late for them to repent and they were definitely going to be destroyed.
there were hints that this could be very soon, “any day now” preaching could stop and the hailstone message come in, kind of thing.
But it is clearly not as it makes the Big A pointless.
i’ve not been paying close attention to watchtower developments, but talking to a jw yesterday it occurred to me the society (yes, still use that term - old school) have been sending out mixed messages in recent years.
from what i gather, a few years ago the gb announced that during the great tribulation jws would be required to preach a “hailstone message of judgement” which involved telling people it was too late for them to repent and they were definitely going to be destroyed.
there were hints that this could be very soon, “any day now” preaching could stop and the hailstone message come in, kind of thing.
No you are twisting it.
OLD LIGHT: You must be a baptised JW and righteous to survive Big A, everyone else dies at Big A and all unrighteous who died prior to Big A (unless like Hitler etc) get resurrected.
NEW LIGHT: All baptised JW's and righteous JW's survive Big A and some who may not be JW's but have a righteous heart may survive the Big A, all unrighteous who dies prior to Big A (unless like Hitler etc) get resurrected.
The difference is now they say officially some may not be a baptised JW but have the right heart and pass through the Big A and hence not necessary to HAVE to die before the Big A to survive it.
But the key criteria is Jehovah sees their righteous heart and that they would be a good subject.
That does not mean billions pass through the Big A. They simply changed the criteria from having to be a baptised JW to one who Jehovah sees their heart as righteous.
i’ve not been paying close attention to watchtower developments, but talking to a jw yesterday it occurred to me the society (yes, still use that term - old school) have been sending out mixed messages in recent years.
from what i gather, a few years ago the gb announced that during the great tribulation jws would be required to preach a “hailstone message of judgement” which involved telling people it was too late for them to repent and they were definitely going to be destroyed.
there were hints that this could be very soon, “any day now” preaching could stop and the hailstone message come in, kind of thing.
If they are still alive when Armageddon comes they would get into paradise just as if they died beforehand unless they were really really bad.
No no that is not what it means. It means they would get into the paradise even if alive at the Big A IF their heart was deemed good by Jehoover. That is a massive difference to what you are saying.
Unrighteous ones have the same chance of being in paradise if they died beforehand or not.
Going by this new light BILLIONS now living will never die
It doesn't mean at that all! Stop posting this crap. The new light means IF the drug taker had a righteous heart he may be saved. It's not a guarantee ALL people are saved, only those that are deemed righteous by Jehoover and that will not be billions according to their doctrine.
The new light is simply taking away their dogmatic approach as in "you must be baptised" to a more softer "Jehovah knows the heart and may preserve some even though not a follower depending on their heart".
These would be very few but appeases the mother in your example.
Unrighteous ones have the same chance of being in paradise if they died beforehand or not.
Correct, a chance, but doesn't mean they will. 99% of the unrighteous will not. It's just softening their stance not to be so rigid. There is a chance all on earth convert to being a JW but it is unlikely.
You are taking "a chance" and then suggesting it means billions will pass through. They won't according to their doctrine...it is just no longer hard and fast rule you must be a baptised JW.
i’ve not been paying close attention to watchtower developments, but talking to a jw yesterday it occurred to me the society (yes, still use that term - old school) have been sending out mixed messages in recent years.
from what i gather, a few years ago the gb announced that during the great tribulation jws would be required to preach a “hailstone message of judgement” which involved telling people it was too late for them to repent and they were definitely going to be destroyed.
there were hints that this could be very soon, “any day now” preaching could stop and the hailstone message come in, kind of thing.
No, it just means that Jehoover will read hearts and they are now stating what has always been believed really.
It doesn't mean billions will make it through. Yes that is possible but it doesn't mean it is likely. It is just like saying all people on earth will become JW's during the GT....it is possible but unlikely.
All the GB have done is state what really has been mooted by dubs for years. That Jehoover will read hearts and allow some through etc. But not billions...just the dubs family members in the dubs mind and all the GB are doing is appeasing and tickling their ears.
i’ve not been paying close attention to watchtower developments, but talking to a jw yesterday it occurred to me the society (yes, still use that term - old school) have been sending out mixed messages in recent years.
from what i gather, a few years ago the gb announced that during the great tribulation jws would be required to preach a “hailstone message of judgement” which involved telling people it was too late for them to repent and they were definitely going to be destroyed.
there were hints that this could be very soon, “any day now” preaching could stop and the hailstone message come in, kind of thing.
It is not "unrighteous loved ones" though is it. It is those that are deemed righteous during the GT as their hearts are changed by the events or simply deserve a resurrection.
In no way does he GB or JW's interpret this as billions get though the Big A. It simply means any who know Jehovah prior but do not serve him and see the GT and then turn to him may be saved or deserve a resurrection in paradise.
Billions do not know and will not suddenly become JW's during the GT. It doesn't mean billions of unrighteous will get saved at the Big A etc.
This new light is simply appeasing those still in that their family who are out are not lost at all when the GT starts and Jehoover determines who gets resurrected and not being so dogmatic about it. It is a softening of their hardline stance. Not an open to billions stance.
i’ve not been paying close attention to watchtower developments, but talking to a jw yesterday it occurred to me the society (yes, still use that term - old school) have been sending out mixed messages in recent years.
from what i gather, a few years ago the gb announced that during the great tribulation jws would be required to preach a “hailstone message of judgement” which involved telling people it was too late for them to repent and they were definitely going to be destroyed.
there were hints that this could be very soon, “any day now” preaching could stop and the hailstone message come in, kind of thing.
I don't think the new light means "billions" will be saved at the Big A even if they are not JW's. Their change to the understanding is simply to alleviate concerns to current Jdubs that the folks leaving are not walking corpses and that they are simply suggesting "we do not know how Jehoover will act with someone".
To me they still believe you need to be baptised to be saved but they are being ambiguous with what occurs at the GT/Big A so as to help those in that they need not worry etc.
https://youtu.be/pszy22hzj8o.
new light?.
https://www.dadseekingtruth.com/.
What absolute nonsense.
personally i think they gonna realise god's not backing org.
that idea gonna get even more established in their minds.
i think the real selling of kingdom hall gonna start then.
They will not lose. Other similar court cases have been won and it would simply mean appeals to higher courts.
The measure of success of this is not about the WT charity status but rather the continued exposure to the media on the WT and their practices, especially shunning.
And for that we have already won.
ford e.v cars lost the company 1.3 billion in three months!
i put 18 solar panels on my house but only get a small rebate $50 a quarter.
bill is $400.
Eh? I have solar panels and they generate enough electricity to run my house in the summer with no cost during the day whilst I work from home. Home solar panels are not about the rebate you get but how much you save by not taking from the grid.
I've saved a fortune the last 4 years as my house draws from solar rather than the grid. Excess is stored in batteries which the house uses at night.
My monthly bill for electricity in the summer is £15 a month.
