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  A simple rebuttal to the recent 'Last Minute Repentance' change.

  by nicolaou in

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  2. beliefs

  for decades, critics have pointed out the unfairness of god slaughtering billions in a future armageddon who never even met a jw much less heard their life-saving message.

  (remember the contortions around the collective responsibility of nations?

  ) also, why do babies and children have to die simply because their parents rejected the witnesses?

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  notsurewheretogo

  I remember this being discussed in the late 1990s. They pointed out (I think at a convention) that the difference between dying in the flood and dying at Armageddon is you may get a resurrection if you died in the flood but not if you died at Armageddon. Therefore the fact children of unbelievers died in the flood (so the reasoning went) does not tell us whether or not children of unbelievers may survive Armageddon.

  Nope...died in the flood meant you were dead forever as you were executed by Jehovah directly as a judgement. Anyone executed by Jehovah never gets a second chance.
  
  
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  A simple rebuttal to the recent 'Last Minute Repentance' change.

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for decades, critics have pointed out the unfairness of god slaughtering billions in a future armageddon who never even met a jw much less heard their life-saving message.

  (remember the contortions around the collective responsibility of nations?

  ) also, why do babies and children have to die simply because their parents rejected the witnesses?

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  notsurewheretogo

  t is clear they are saying there is no difference between those alive at Armageddon to everyone who has died throughout all of history.

  You keep missing the fundamental difference. Those who die before Armageddon get a second chance, those executed at Armageddon by Jehovah do not. The new light does not alter Jehovah's execution of people at Armageddon...all it does is allow some to change their mind at the very last minute and possibly be saved.
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  What you think consequences gonna be for watchtower if they lose the court appeal in Norway?

  by Hellothere in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  personally i think they gonna realise god's not backing org.

  that idea gonna get even more established in their minds.

  i think the real selling of kingdom hall gonna start then.

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  notsurewheretogo

  Surprised they lost and it seems to be the DF of minors and the impact that swung it.

  It's a risky game if the WT appeal it and go higher because if there was a chance to lose that then all they have done is highlighted to a further audience the issues.

  Didn't I read Slovakia are away to do the same?

  Interesting times for the WT legally.
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  New light on shunning?

  by Mikejw in

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  one theory why tony was booted out was because he was a stickler for not changing the shunning doctrine.

  he actually said the words we will never ever change it.. they are slowly deleting all of tony’s videos and now losing court cases and losing government hand outs in places like norway.. it’s looking very likely they will release new light on shunning policy after losing this latest one in norway.. .

  what are the odds they coincidentally get new light from jehovah and lighten up their shunning policy ?.

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  notsurewheretogo

  it’s looking very likely they will release new light on shunning policy after losing this latest one in Norway.

  That is a hell of a leap to be honest. It may be a possibility but to say "very likely" when there is no basis to it doesn't make sense. Why is it "very likely"?
  

  It would be monumental even larger than billions may survive Armageddon 2023 AGM new light.

  This is nonsense, you have misread the new light. Billions will still die at Armageddon according to their current doctrines.
  
  
  
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  2024 when will Witnesses admit they are wrong???

  by Witness 007 in

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  1914 generation is long gone.

  1975 was a joke 40 years ago.

  i know of many witnesses still hanging on for armagedon but when will they give up?

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  notsurewheretogo

  The article doesn't say that at all and there is no correlation at all between Covid, vaccination or these bolod clots.

  I quote:

  "It is a natural phenomenon commonly found in the bodies of the deceased. It also has been observed since before the Covid outbreak and the use of the Covid-19 vaccines."

  https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.34KB4DG

  You really are proving yourself that you still have a JWdub mindset because your posts on here show you lack critical thinking abilities to review things said and understand them.
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  2024 when will Witnesses admit they are wrong???

  by Witness 007 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  1914 generation is long gone.

  1975 was a joke 40 years ago.

  i know of many witnesses still hanging on for armagedon but when will they give up?

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  notsurewheretogo

  Problem is the direction from the GB is now causing white fibrous growths that cause blood clots and excessive people are dying suddenly.

  FFS do research.

  https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/mike-adams-flawed-analysis-clot-embalmer-richard-hirschman-doesnt-demonstrate-link-between-blood-clots-and-covid-19-vaccines-epoch-times/
  
  
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  JWs in Norway lost to the state - will not get state support back

  by BelisemDeBelimakom in

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  2. scandals

  translated with google translate:.

  the trial went before oslo district court in january, and now the district court has concluded that the state is acquitted.

  jehovah's witnesses are also ordered to pay court costs of just over nok 1.1 million.. https://www-vg-no.translate.goog/nyheter/innenriks/i/2bljxg/staten-frikjennes-etter-aa-ha-blitt-saksoekt-av-jehovas-vitner-melder-dagen?_x_tr_sl=ka&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp.

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  notsurewheretogo

  What are the odds they coincidentally get new light from Jehovah and lighten up their shunning policy ?
  Steve Let’s comes in next update and says the governing body does not have an issue with beards
  talking to disfellowshipped ones. Why not? Because the Bible doesn’t tell us this.

  This is exactly what will occur with all these types of doctrines, a softening of them to be more mainstream so they survive...next few years will be quite funny! As we exJW's can quote all their own quotes at them when the WT had a go at other religions when the WT will eventually do the same as them!
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  Hailstone message AND everyone will be saved? Questions

  by slimboyfat in

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  2. beliefs

  i’ve not been paying close attention to watchtower developments, but talking to a jw yesterday it occurred to me the society (yes, still use that term - old school) have been sending out mixed messages in recent years.

  from what i gather, a few years ago the gb announced that during the great tribulation jws would be required to preach a “hailstone message of judgement” which involved telling people it was too late for them to repent and they were definitely going to be destroyed.

  there were hints that this could be very soon, “any day now” preaching could stop and the hailstone message come in, kind of thing.

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  notsurewheretogo

  There have been a number of cases where a JW has murdered close relatives. There seems little doubt that the perpetrator was mentally unstable, but even so the thought that he was saving them from eternal destruction (as they would get a resurrection) apparently played a part in some such cases.

  Yup I can see this been a factor in why they have changed. Mentally unstable dub thinks "shit gotta kill my family before Armageddon as that is the only way my family will get into paradise".

  Now elder dub can tell crazy dub that the crazy dubs unbelieving family may still be saved if they turn to Jehoover during the Great tribulation so put your gun away crazy dub!

  Crazy shit right?
  
  
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  Hailstone message AND everyone will be saved? Questions

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i’ve not been paying close attention to watchtower developments, but talking to a jw yesterday it occurred to me the society (yes, still use that term - old school) have been sending out mixed messages in recent years.

  from what i gather, a few years ago the gb announced that during the great tribulation jws would be required to preach a “hailstone message of judgement” which involved telling people it was too late for them to repent and they were definitely going to be destroyed.

  there were hints that this could be very soon, “any day now” preaching could stop and the hailstone message come in, kind of thing.

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  notsurewheretogo

  then wouldn’t many JWs still not wonder if non believing relatives would be better off dying and getting resurrected?

  Indeed but the point the GB are making is unbelieving family members do NOT HAVE to die to get saved, there is another route no matter which one is easier or not etc.
  
  
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  Again, More confusion about the direction of the Watchtower Society

  by Truth and Justice in

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  2. friends

  hi friends, i have not been on this board in awhile, and i would like to get some thoughts from some of you.

  i have noticed a change within my 4 siblings in approximately the last year and a half to 2 years regarding their communication with my mother and i. they have either phoned us, texted, emailed, or written a letter or card to us.

  the conversation has been good, and on any topic that comes to mind.

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  notsurewheretogo

  I think the GB are realising after their consultation with worldly expertise that to survive they need to become more mainstream and less hard and rigid in a lot of areas like beards etc.

  I expect a lot of changes to come.