They were all mentioned in a SINGLE paragraph in one of Rutherford's books (don't remember title) and were used as partial evidence that we were in the last days some seventy years ago.
"Millions then living were never told the real truth."
Skimmer
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Quiz: What do these have in common?
by Simon inthis will test you knowledge of wt history ... what do all the following items have in common:.
adding machines.
aeroplanes.
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The 1914 generation is back for 2002
by Skimmer inthe 1914 generation is back for 2002.. that's right.
some people who were alive in 1914 will still be around to see the big a according to the 2002 theocratic ministry school outline.
i downloaded the 4.8 mbyte zip file the other day and was looking for references to 1914.. from section number four of the june 17, 2002 entry (page 112):.
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Skimmer
The outline is for the entire calendar year of 2002.
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The 1914 generation is back for 2002
by Skimmer inthe 1914 generation is back for 2002.. that's right.
some people who were alive in 1914 will still be around to see the big a according to the 2002 theocratic ministry school outline.
i downloaded the 4.8 mbyte zip file the other day and was looking for references to 1914.. from section number four of the june 17, 2002 entry (page 112):.
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Skimmer
I have two links for the 2002 TMS outline:
For US letter format: http://members.dodo.com.au/mshanlon/TMS2002pdf.zip
For A4 letter format: http://home.iprimus.com.au/mshanlon/TMS2002A4.zip
This is from http://www.purelanguage.net in the study hall/pre-study section. You'll need a PDF reader like Adobe Acrobat.
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Are you doubting?
by YoYoMama injames 1:5-8.
"so, if any one of you is lacking in wisdom, let him keep on asking god, for he gives generously to all and without reproaching; and it will be given him.
but let him keep on asking in faith, not doubting at all, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven by the wind and blown about.
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Skimmer
I have no doubts at all about the WTBTS. I know for a fact that they are guilty of lying, thievery, cover-ups, manslaughter, and tax evasion. I have no doubt that their numbers will continue to see a steady decline in every country where the free flow of information about the real truth of the WTBTS is available.
And seeing some of the WTBTS defenders on this board, I have no doubt that the WTBTS can still bring in a new sucker now and then.
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The 1914 generation is back for 2002
by Skimmer inthe 1914 generation is back for 2002.. that's right.
some people who were alive in 1914 will still be around to see the big a according to the 2002 theocratic ministry school outline.
i downloaded the 4.8 mbyte zip file the other day and was looking for references to 1914.. from section number four of the june 17, 2002 entry (page 112):.
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The 1914 generation is back for 2002.
That's right. Some people who were alive in 1914 will still be around to see the Big A according to the 2002 Theocratic Ministry School outline. I downloaded the 4.8 MByte zip file the other day and was looking for references to 1914.
From section number four of the June 17, 2002 entry (page 112):
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What beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses set them apart as different from other religions?
(8) Last days: They believe that we are living now, since 1914, in the last days of this wicked system of things; that some who saw the events of 1914 will also see the complete destruction of the present wicked world; that lovers of righteousness will survive into a cleansed earth.
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Was this a slip-up? Careless recycling, perhaps? Or, have they come back to the pre-1995 idea that some now in their eighty eighth year (or older) are still going to be around for the Big A?
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1975????
by jayhawk1 ini am too young to know what actually happened before and during 1975, but you know said this to me, and i would like some more information.. quote.
are you completely ignorant of why many of jehovah's witnesses looked to the year 1975?
do you think it was just something someone made up?
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Skimmer
I was associated for a brief period in the early 1970s ending in 1973, and I will add my experience about the 1975 teachings of the WTBTS.
When I read of the WTBTS trying to cover up their biggest prophetic failure and place the blame on the rank and file, I get a feeling which is similar, although certainly of lesser intensity, to that which must be felt by Jewish survivors of the Holocaust when confronted with those who say that never happened either.
There was a gradient of intensity in the 1975/Big A teaching: lightly in _Awake_, more serious and foreboding in the _Wathctower_, more so in the _Kingdom Ministry_, and most of all at the weekly Service Meeting. It was like the WTBTS would only expose their wackiest ravings to those who had already bought into the earlier layers of the cult.
What I read about 1975 was bad. What I heard from the platform was worse:
1. It might happen sooner than summer/fall 1975; it could happen at any time.
2. When it happened and you weren't baptized (and you were old enough to be baptized), then you were going to die.
3. When it happened and you were doing something like enjoying an R-rated film or some other borderline activity, you were going to die as you couldn't count on any of the angels to pull you out of the destruction from above. Even if you had worked very hard in the field service and had an excellent record, one small indiscretion at the wrong time and you were out of the game.
4. When it happened and you were disfellowshiped, then you would die.
5. When it happened and you were on reproof, then you would likely die.
6. When it happened and you were covering up some issue that might get you disfellowshiped or reproved, then you would die.
7. Even if you were regular in the field service and had no real problems, if you didn't do as much as you could (like some sort of pioneering), then it was certainly possible and (depending on the speaker) somewhat probable that you would die.
Death, death, and more death from the platform parade of assholes. No shortage of threats, that's for sure. I suppose that the speakers were so busy with the WTBTS bullshit about 1975 that they somehow didn't have any time to mention the Big A prediction failures of 1914, 1925, and the early 1940s. And now the entire 1975 failure has been swept under the WTBTS rug of old light which must be getting rather lumpy by now.
Hey, WTBTS! Guess what? Those lumps aren't going away! Nope, that's because you have left way too many victims who have good memories, a sense of justice, and who aren't afraid of you, your printing presses, your ethics-free lawyers, or your dwindling supply of cash. We and those that follow us are not going away and we will use whatever means necessary to keep others from falling into the WTBTS mind-screw trap. We're laughing at you now and we will be laughing even harder in a few years when you are so broke that you'll have to sell Russell's pyramid tombstone on eBay to raise cash to keep up bedpan service for the governing body. "The End is near! The End is near!"; we've heard it again and again, but now it really is true: the end of the WTBTS. I hope it's a sunny day in Brooklyn when the last WTBTS buildings are closed because I'll be there videotaping the final exodus of all the sorry bastards leaving. And on the next day, I'll rent a dozen cranes with wrecking balls and charge exJWs a hundred dollars a throw to help knock down the last physical remainder of the WTBTS. And for the evening entertainment, I think that the WTBTS library will make for a most excellent bonfire. The flames will be bright and hot, although perhaps not as much so as those flames waiting for the WTBTS elite in the afterlife.
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Merry Christmas (US Eastern Time Zone)
by Skimmer init is now just past midnight where i am located in the eastern time zone of the united states on december 25th.
so, a merry christmas from me to all readers in all time zones around the world!.
i hope i get more than a lump of coal this year.
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Skimmer
It is now just past midnight where I am located in the Eastern Time Zone of the United States on December 25th. So, A Merry Christmas from me to all readers in all time zones around the world!
I hope I get more than a lump of coal this year.
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Sometimes I go to a meeting.
by dmouse insometimes i go to a meeting...usually when the co visits in case they actually say something of interest.
the reason i go occasionally is to validate my decision to leave 2 hours at the meeting is enough to convince any normal person with a brain that it is not the truth.. i went this morning.
it was the same old drivel are your stressed or discouraged?
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Skimmer
The Moon is relatively dark with an albedo of about 0.07, roughly a quarter of the Earth's average value. That makes the lunar surface about as reflective as charcoal.
The WTBTS should smarten up and tell it's traveling boys to stay away from scientific topics.
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What if there was not DFing of apostates?
by YoYoMama ini was wondering today.
what if the witnesses did not have a policy of disfellowshipping those that are apostates.
what would the congregations be like?
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Skimmer
Hello Marilyn:
Having not been in a KH in nearly thirty years, I can't comment on recent trends in DF activity.
But, back in the early 1970s, the threat of the Big A coming in 1975 provided a sufficiently strong "stick" to keep the sheep in line. I don't recall that DF on basis of apostasy being very common at that time; no doubt this was mostly due to the relative scarcity of information about the real truth of the WTBTS, Also, the apostate witch-hunt mentality that started in the early 1980s had not yet begun.
I do recall numerous DFs in the area I was in at the time, but much more frequent were the cases of public reproof. I don't remember any marking, but maybe that was a later development.
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What if there was not DFing of apostates?
by YoYoMama ini was wondering today.
what if the witnesses did not have a policy of disfellowshipping those that are apostates.
what would the congregations be like?
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Skimmer
I assure any and all readers that the WTBTS will NEVER give up on the entire informer/judicial/shunning arrangement. High control organizations always need a carrot and stick. The carrot of living forever on a paradise earth starting anytime soon grows less credible with each passing day. Likewise, the stick of being annihilated at the Big A doesn't carry much weight without at least a somewhat believable chronology. So with a limp carrot and the thin stick of the Big A, the only tool the WTBTS has left is the shunning stick.
The biggest fear of the WTBTS is that of freely flowing information about hte internals and the history of the organization. Their only hope of lessening the threat of an informed membership is to boot doubters as soon as possible.
Some think that dropping shunning will somehow "save" the WTBTS. To the contrary, I would think the member count would drop by at least three fouths or more as people found out the real truth.