Me and wifey would like to come.Just a hop over the bridge.
I just hope some more from this site will come so we wont be the only strangers there.
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35So Who's Coming To My Barbie This Year?
by Englishman inok all you lucky people, this is the big one!.
every july, around about the time of my birthday, her ladyship and myself host the barbie to end all barbies.
fun, frolics and fizz are the order of the day, this is the social event, places are more in demand than tickets to watch england play (that's artistic licence btw), even dub in the pub turned up last year.. originally started 10 years ago to get the local pubs regulars together, i usually invite about 40 from the pub, about 15 little & big hooper's, and i am now throwing open an invitation for about 15 - 20 posters from this site to join in the fun.. the event will, weather permitting, take place on sunday july 21. meet at the waverley pub, severn road, weston - super - mare between 12noon and 3pm.
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Is apostate an appropriate term for us?
by sleepy in.
how do you feel?do you like to be called apostate ?.
apostate just means: someone who renounces a former belief or principle.. to people who have never been witnesses it may not symbolise much.but to witnesses the word means a lot.in many of their minds it is synonymous with evil and perverted.. since it jw's who will likely call us apostate not others the term almost always has a bad or negative useage.. but it does identify us as people who have completely rejected the religion.. so is it good for us to use it or not?
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sleepy
How do you feel?Do you like to be called apostate ?
Apostate just means: Someone who renounces a former belief or principle.
To people who have never been witnesses it may not symbolise much.But to witnesses the word means a lot.In many of their minds it is synonymous with evil and perverted.
Since it JW's who will likely call us apostate not others the term almost always has a bad or negative useage.
But it does identify us as people who have completely rejected the religion.
So is it good for us to use it or not?
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Relieved or gutted, which are you?
by sleepy inis finding out that jehovahs witnesses are not the truth a relief for you as you no longer have to go to meetings etc or does it make you gutted as there is no everlasting life and no new system?.
i started of relieved , then gutted , and whent through cycles of both now i feel that it has to be relief.. though i will probably never get over the fact that for 26 years of my life everything i believed was wrong and i will allways have a small longing for that new world, but the relief that i can live my own life outweighs that.
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Is finding out that Jehovahs Witnesses are not the truth a relief for you as you no longer have to go to meetings etc or does it make you gutted as there is no everlasting life and no new system?
I started of relieved , then gutted , and whent through cycles of both now I feel that it has to be relief.
Though I will probably never get over the fact that for 26 years of my life everything I believed was wrong and I will allways have a small longing for that new world, but the relief that I can live my own life outweighs that. -
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Just how angery are you?
by sleepy injust how angery are you?.
how badly has the jw experience affected you?.
at the moment i'm very angery at the organisation.. why?.
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The congregation will help to a degree.
But the society as "Gods organisation" will do nothing.Why is there no fund for the elderly?
I know some congs willl provide this , but its the society whos got the money, yet again the burden is put upon the poor witnesses while the men at brooklyn fail to lift a finger. -
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Just how angery are you?
by sleepy injust how angery are you?.
how badly has the jw experience affected you?.
at the moment i'm very angery at the organisation.. why?.
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sleepy
Just how angery are you?
How badly has the JW experience affected you?
At the moment I'm very angery at the organisation.
Why?
Well my dad has just been rudhed into hospital for the second time in 4 months.
This time there a lump in one of his lungs , which looks like cancer.
My father is 52.
So far nothing to do with the society.
My mum looks after one of my sisters almost full time.My sister was once diagnosed with ME now they know she has a problem with her heart.
So my mother carnt work much which means my father is the main provider.
Last time he was in hospital they used up all their savings , as my dad is selfemployed and has no benifits for being off work apart from a small amount the goverment gives you after about 8 weeks.
So how is this in any way related to the society?
Well my parents have no money , my sister is ill and my father is ill.
My parents were told week after week to put the kingdom first.
After finishing work on every night my father would either do the family study prepear for talks and other things as an elder.
On the weekend go on the ministry and attend the meetings giving talks when asked.
Often he was asked to go away for the weekend on quick builds.
All this sapped the energy of my father so that in the week when working he was tired.
He couldn't put his full energies into working.He couldn't do overtime due to meetings and studying or work weekends.
For years and years and years.
All because the society make you feel guilty if you do not do this.They make you think Jehovah is not happy with you , that if you put your life into the org so it can suck it dry , you can live forever.
Yet now due to his efforts to do so they are now stuck.They have no money no pension and my father is ill.
They now have to rely on their children.
So were is the ever loving org in all this?
Why arent they there to help those who have given their lives to them?
Why aren't they helping out those who gave their time and lives to them, building their halls giving their talks , selling their magazines?
They are no where to be found.
They have no desire to help such people.
They are left to rot as far as they are concerned.
They don't care at all about these people all they care about is themselves.
If the society was the loving organisation it claims to be they would be falling over themselves to provide finacial support for those who have built them, giving their time and money.Instead they continue to strangle the life out of people with false hopes and promises in order to built the organisation.
My father will get nothing in return for his efforts to help.
If he can work again I hope he sees the wisdom in using his time to build funds for his retirement instead of putting it back in the org.
If not them his children will provide for him.
The society wont.
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Do you feel like an idiot?Should you?
by sleepy ini was thinking today about all the time i spent on the ministry.. walking down the street with my suit and briefcase ready to defend the truth.. i recalled some of the conversations i had , had.some of the bible studies i conducted, the talks i had given the groups i had taken.. i remmebered the way i defended my faith and belief in jehovah and the jehovahs witness organisation.. how much i must have believed it was the truth.. i spent 3 years as an auxillary pioneer and called on many thousands of people.. yet all along i was wrong.. every time i defened my beliefs i was wrong.. every talk i studied and prepeared long and hard for, i was wrong.. all the things i gave up for the truth i was wrong.. what an idiot.
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"it's not like i was hiding, believe me, i was willing to sit down and talk to ANYONE!!....... and yet i never met someone who could show me what i know "now"!........ i ran into a few ex-members, but none of them had anything worth while to tell me....... and they were usually irate."I was the same.I loved to get into good conversations with people on the doors.I even talked to apostates , yet none could show me the right information.
Only once did i come away severely shaken in my faith.that was when I talked for two hours with an archeologist.
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Do you feel like an idiot?Should you?
by sleepy ini was thinking today about all the time i spent on the ministry.. walking down the street with my suit and briefcase ready to defend the truth.. i recalled some of the conversations i had , had.some of the bible studies i conducted, the talks i had given the groups i had taken.. i remmebered the way i defended my faith and belief in jehovah and the jehovahs witness organisation.. how much i must have believed it was the truth.. i spent 3 years as an auxillary pioneer and called on many thousands of people.. yet all along i was wrong.. every time i defened my beliefs i was wrong.. every talk i studied and prepeared long and hard for, i was wrong.. all the things i gave up for the truth i was wrong.. what an idiot.
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sleepy
I was thinking today about all the time i spent on the ministry.
Walking down the street with my suit and briefcase ready to defend the truth.
I recalled some of the conversations i had , had.Some of the bible studies I conducted, the talks I had given the groups I had taken.
I remmebered the way I defended my faith and belief in Jehovah and the Jehovahs witness organisation.
How much I must have believed it was the truth.
I spent 3 years as an auxillary pioneer and called on many thousands of people.
Yet all along I was wrong.
Every time I defened my beliefs I was wrong.
Every talk I studied and prepeared long and hard for, I was wrong.
All the things I gave up for the truth I was wrong.What an idiot.
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Is reality disturbing?
by sleepy inhas the change from witness style religous thinking to an atheistic viewpoint disturbed your brain?.
(this post is not about whether religion is responsable for morality , but about the change in the viewpoint and outlook from a jw to an athiest.
morality is used as an example.neither do i feel that you carnt be moral without a belief in a god.).
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"Are you seriously contending that religion has made human society more moral?"
No.
It is a lot more complex that that.
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Is reality disturbing?
by sleepy inhas the change from witness style religous thinking to an atheistic viewpoint disturbed your brain?.
(this post is not about whether religion is responsable for morality , but about the change in the viewpoint and outlook from a jw to an athiest.
morality is used as an example.neither do i feel that you carnt be moral without a belief in a god.).
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sleepy
"Your argument is flawed."
Which argument?
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Is reality disturbing?
by sleepy inhas the change from witness style religous thinking to an atheistic viewpoint disturbed your brain?.
(this post is not about whether religion is responsable for morality , but about the change in the viewpoint and outlook from a jw to an athiest.
morality is used as an example.neither do i feel that you carnt be moral without a belief in a god.).
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Point missed chaps.
"Don’t moan and groan about life ultimately being meaningless and futile"Whos moaning?You seem to have misdirected you replies at aurguments that were not made.Read it again.
It was about the nature of reality and how the switch from one type of thinking to another can be quite strange.
The morality issue was just an example of how our view of reality changes.Of course athiests can do good things, my point with religion is that it has played a part in how the world has developed into a more moral place other the ages. And why a belief in God may have been benificial for some.
When you were or if you are religious , the thought of God watching you could make you do good even if you didn't want to.
What my seen moral today to the majority of people may seem barbaric in the future.
Morality is fluid if it is just a majority opinion.
There are no definate standards.
Animals eat eacn other , even their own children , is this wrong?
Its just all part of the natural world which we are part of.
I can choose to treat people as I will, and feel I am right, but there is no universal standardthat we must obey.