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Careful which way you look, Jehovahs about.

by sleepy in

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well you never know.. lots wife got turned into a giant lump of salt for just looking in the wrong direction.. did this account ever make sense to you?.

the watchtower always tried to jusify it by saying she must have looked back longingly.it that really a good reason to kill someone?.

especially after you have just saved them.. then david sleeps with someone not his wife has her husband killed and his kid get the punishment!.

sleepy

Well you never know.
Lots wife got turned into a giant lump of salt for just looking in the wrong direction.

Did this account ever make sense to you?
The watchtower always tried to jusify it by saying she must have looked back longingly.It that really a good reason to kill someone?
Especially after you have just saved them.

Then David sleeps with someone not his wife has her husband killed and his kid get the punishment!

Adam eats an apple and turns us all inperfect.

Moses hits a rock and say something he shouldn't and gets banned from the promised land, Arron make a false God but lives while all the rest get slaughtered.

Then another couple sell their field hide a bit of the money give the rest to the congregation and get struck dead for it , while old men can run a religion that invest millions in share and on the stock market.

Schizophrenic or what?
Flipping Nora.

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" Logic problem "

by BATHORY in

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in a previous thread dmouse mocks me for giving a serious reponse to what i see as a serious question about infinity from pubsinger.. it said that " it has nothing to do with reality, its just a logic problem " or some crap to that tune.. ok dmouse to appease yourself to the board, and buy back face, i ask you the following.

please answer according to the " obvious law " you imposed on me.

a question was asked on the scientific american magazine web site(sciam.com) which was close to this, .

sleepy

I like to think of time as the difference between two events.
If nothing happens there is no time to speak of.
When an event occours such as when a photon is emitted from a source we can call the interval between two points of travel time, and break it up according to the distance the photon has traveled.Since a photon is not infinatly small niether can the distance it travels be broken up into infinatly small parts.
Since time is the differnce between two events it is the same as distance in that it is not broken up into infinatly smaller parts.

It seams logical to me that there is a least amount of time , and therefore a least amount of movement that an object can make.

So I believe , unless someone can show diffeently that time moves in jumps.
Also that every thing else moves in tiny jumps.
The problem this creates though is in defining whether an object that has moved is actually the same thing, as it jumps to get there , there is no way we can tell if it is the same thing(were talking on the tiny level here , not a person or a bus)or a new one, ie do things move or is it more like a tv screen where movment is an illusion?
Sorry to ramble.

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Quote that sums up the whole WT lunacy...

by TheApostleAK in

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all human problems such as starvation, disease, and injustice will be solved at armageddon because god is going to kill everyone living that isn't a witness.

currently, that's 99.9% of the human race.. i'm gonna use this next time i meet a jw who starts to witness to me or calls on me at my new address.... jw: do you believe that all of societies problems like starvation or disease will be solved one day?.

ak: yes, according to your religion those problems will be solved because the people who have the problems will be destroyed at armageddon cos they didn't convert to your religion.. wonder if i can get them to say that jw's aren't the only ones to be saved at armageddon.. from ak

sleepy

As a witness I never believed only witnesses would be saved , it just didn't make sense.
But I felt I couldn't preach that as it was out of line.
I expect a lot of witnesses don't beleiive everything they preach.

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What are you doing now you are free?

by sleepy in

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what are you using your time to do , that you couldn't do before when enslaved to the decrepit old men of the org?.

i'm now determined to throw down my squeegee , and become an artist.. yes i am ashamed to admit i am a window cleaner.. i have always love drawing and art, but was adviced in school that if iwanted to be an artist i would have to be determined and be totally focused in order to succeed.. but knowing i had to pioneer and go to the meetings etc i knew i wouldn't have time .so i choose to let go of my dream and waste my talents in order to serve god by selling magazines.. in fact the "truth" took up so much time that i almost gave up drawing , i cant draw well unless relaxed and i have plenty of time, in fact my favorite time is early morning when i wake up.. now i have no meetings , studying etc i have lots of time to draw and i just cant stop.. i don't know much about getting into the art world , but looking round different galleries i've seen and comparing my work i belive i can succeed.. i'll give it my best shot anyway.

sleepy

What are you using your time to do , that you couldn't do before when enslaved to the decrepit old men of the org?

I'm now determined to throw down my squeegee , and become an artist.
Yes I am ashamed to admit I am a window cleaner.
I have always love drawing and art, but was adviced in school that if Iwanted to be an artist I would have to be determined and be totally focused in order to succeed.
But knowing I had to pioneer and go to the meetings etc I knew I wouldn't have time .So I choose to let go of my dream and waste my talents in order to serve God by selling magazines.

In fact the "truth" took up so much time that I almost gave up drawing , I cant draw well unless relaxed and I have plenty of time, in fact my favorite time is early morning when I wake up.

Now I have no meetings , studying etc I have lots of time to draw and I just cant stop.
I don't know much about getting into the art world , but looking round different galleries I've seen and comparing my work I belive I can succeed.
I'll give it my best shot anyway.

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Would you have become a witness if not..

by sleepy in

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would you have become a witness if not raised as one?.

for me i would say no way.

sleepy

Matty
"Can anyone emphatically say “No, never, I would never ever have become a Jehovah’s Witness if I hadn't been raised as one!”? I don’t think anyone really honestly can say that, isn’t that being a little conceited?"

I agree. But we know that most witnesses are not converts.So most likely we would not have been converted, especially since we know we are more inclinded to look at the evidence than the majority of witnesses, thats how we ended up here.Then again that depends on whether our enquiring minds are genetic or trained.Having a different life and circumstances you never know what could have happened.

But doen't this show how powerful your upbringing is?

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Watchtower V's apostates who is winning?

by sleepy in

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who's got the upper hand at the moment, the watchtower org or the apostates.. when you first leave and find out there are many other like you , you can feel like the watchtower org is crumbling.but many have been out for years and the watchtower has continued to grow.. are efforts by apostates working?.

or is the watchtower able to easily counter them?.

do most leave the org due to efforts by those who have already walked out , or do most find their own way?.

sleepy

Who's got the upper hand at the moment, the watchtower org or the apostates.
When you first leave and find out there are many other like you , you can feel like the watchtower org is crumbling.But many have been out for years and the watchtower has continued to grow.

Are efforts by apostates working?
or is the watchtower able to easily counter them?
Do most leave the org due to efforts by those who have already walked out , or do most find their own way?
How then can we be more effective?

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Are you a fighter , or just recovering?

by sleepy in

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just wondering about how many here feel they are fighters against the organisation of jehovahs witnesses, and how many consider themselves just recovering from the experience?.

i would say i am a fighter, that is i am against the org not just upset at what has happened to me.. how about you?

sleepy

Just wondering about how many here feel they are fighters against the organisation of Jehovahs Witnesses, and how many consider themselves just recovering from the experience?

I would say I am a fighter, that is I am against the org not just upset at what has happened to me.

How about you?

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Would you have become a witness if not..

by sleepy in

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would you have become a witness if not raised as one?.

for me i would say no way.

sleepy

Would you have become a witness if not raised as one?

For me I would say no way.

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Should the society be sued for fraud?

by sleepy in

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i've posted a similiar subject before , but read yesturday that scientologists in france were sued for fraudulent preaching methods by the government (the article did not state what the fraud was) and fined.

the scientologist complained and said they were just practising their religion.. i love those french, they see straight through dodgy religions.. so should we try and sue the society , for say withholding vital information to new members about their past and other such things, and not being open and honest about what happens when you leave.?.

prehaps the french can try it first.

sleepy

Which issue would be the best and most likley to a favorable outcome if someone sues?

Can people sue in groups or does it have to be individual?

I can see not fully disclosing what happens if you want to leave and presenting misleading information about blood transfusions as good issues , much more so if a member of the familly has died as a result or you have been cut of completely from your family.
Also the covering up of abusers , if someone was allowed to continue in the congregation and abused others when it could have been stope ealier if reported to the police.

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Should the society be sued for fraud?

by sleepy in

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i've posted a similiar subject before , but read yesturday that scientologists in france were sued for fraudulent preaching methods by the government (the article did not state what the fraud was) and fined.

the scientologist complained and said they were just practising their religion.. i love those french, they see straight through dodgy religions.. so should we try and sue the society , for say withholding vital information to new members about their past and other such things, and not being open and honest about what happens when you leave.?.

prehaps the french can try it first.

sleepy

Bon jour DM,

Yes , we stayed in a flat by the sea with my wifes mother, who's a witness, and my wife hasn't told her we don't go any more, she still thinks I'm an MS!

Good thing I don't speak much french as we could have had some problems.
I was asked to say a prayer though over dinner which was quite funny.

Shes coming to stay with us soon and will expect to go to the meeting with us.
Now that will be fun.