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  Beware of divulging any personal info on this site!

  by Crazyguy2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hey this is crazyguy, forgot my password so this is my new name.

  anyway be sure to all you new ones that if you post any personal info on this forum or respond to pms asking for email addresses this information maybe able to be used by wt spies to try and find out who you are!

  someone has recently pmd me asking for my email address or more accurately to respond to his email address which would give him mine, this maybe an innocent request but this person also has no posting history.

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  john.prestor

  How many concrete cases can we document of Witnesses of whatever rank spying on us here, whether on their own or because someone (probably) tells them to? That isn't a challenge, I don't doubt high-ranking Bethelites peek in here from time to time on the orders of the powers that be. We got concrete proof they monitor at least one site like this when someone leaked that Branch letter from Australia, i think O'Toole wrote it could be wrong, which said something like 'we might as well show the ARC this Letter to the Body of Elders because it's gonna appear online soon.' Atlantis and a few others post letters here, so while we can't prove they meant us the author might mean us.. It's suggestive at least.

  Concrete cases:

  1. I don't know if you commented yet pale.emperor but he disassociated himself after someone snooped on his computer, accessed his history, found he posted here, and turned him in to the Elders. They 'invited him' to a judicial committee but he got out before they could disfellowship him.

  Feel free to add on. Certainly the new poster asking for emails sound, as Simon said, fishy as he'll (whether they're a scammer or a spy though, we can't say).
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  Firstborn of all Creation - What does it refer too?

  by JW Answers in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the jehovah's witnesses believe the title given to the lord jesus as 'firstborn' is in reference to himself being created.

  however as we study the scriptures we can see that it has a greater meaning than being created..

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  john.prestor

  I'm not gonna waste my morning on you. Like I told a JW a while back: Enjoy ignorance, it must be nice.
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  The origin of the word Lullaby

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  reading around the subject of lillith, the alledged, rebel first wife of adam, i stumbled upon this link and many others that link the custom of singing babies to sleep as an ancient jewish superstition.. http://www.jeanniemusick.com/lilith-world/lilith-as-the-origin-of-the-lullaby/.

  some of the research could probably be argued but looking at it from the wt perspective and mirroring their usual reasoning, i could imagine the following.... ... it appears that the word "lullaby" originates from the the hebrew "lilith-abi", which means "lilith be gone".

  jewish mothers used to sing these songs to their babies in bed in hopes that they would be protected from this baby snatching demon called lilith.

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  john.prestor

  Friends, are we not glad to know the pagan origins of this spiritistic practice?

  I had to get in on it too. How do I sound?
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  Watchtower Trolleys With Added Bling

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my wife and i were in edinburgh on saturday (did a ghost tour) and around dusk we passed two trolleys on the high street — aka 'the royal mile' — that both had two rows of led lights under the little shelves.

  has anybody else seen this or is it a local innovation?

  i'm happy to report their pimped-up trolleys were attracting no attention as usual.

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  john.prestor

  Well that sounds awesome to me, where do I sign up? Let's add a little hot pad at the bottom and we're all set to go
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  Watchtower Trolleys With Added Bling

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my wife and i were in edinburgh on saturday (did a ghost tour) and around dusk we passed two trolleys on the high street — aka 'the royal mile' — that both had two rows of led lights under the little shelves.

  has anybody else seen this or is it a local innovation?

  i'm happy to report their pimped-up trolleys were attracting no attention as usual.

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  john.prestor

  Literature trolleys: a way to watch the world pass by in silence.
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  Firstborn of all Creation - What does it refer too?

  by JW Answers in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the jehovah's witnesses believe the title given to the lord jesus as 'firstborn' is in reference to himself being created.

  however as we study the scriptures we can see that it has a greater meaning than being created..

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  john.prestor

  JW Answers, I don't appreciate the way you talked to him. I don't accept your lame apology for the comments made above, meaning the things you said. You claim you want to help us find the truth and the second somebody questions you you attack them passive-aggressively? Yeah, some savior you are. Hail to the coward.
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  Watchtower Trolleys With Added Bling

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my wife and i were in edinburgh on saturday (did a ghost tour) and around dusk we passed two trolleys on the high street — aka 'the royal mile' — that both had two rows of led lights under the little shelves.

  has anybody else seen this or is it a local innovation?

  i'm happy to report their pimped-up trolleys were attracting no attention as usual.

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  john.prestor

  The thought just occurred to me that one day the Governing Body will talk about these carts as if they revolutionized proselytizing... when from everything we see, and that includes me in my travels throughout the eastern United States, they accomplish nothing except giving Pioneers and Elders a chance to drink coffee and gossip, and convert next to no one.
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  We enter the dark world of the Jehovah's Witnesses: abuses, subjected women and suicides Accusations of pedophilia

  by Not_Culty in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  we enter the dark world of the jehovah's witnesses: abuses, subjected women and suicides.

  accusations of pedophilia, rejection of homosexuals, "social death", theft of personal data, suicides ... .

  spanish interviews 15 former members of this "sect" in spain who denounce all kinds of situations.

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  john.prestor

  That's just awful. I think you're right about the power and the lack of conscience. I would add sexual repression into the equation. The organization doesn't give them (m)any outlets for their libido ( can't watch porn, can't masturbate), and if they're not principled enough to keep themselves individually or collectively in check, they can start to get off on descriptions of what happened, it's almost like... interview erotica, I guess. But whatever the cause those kind of questions are creepy and completely inexcusable.
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  Should I do this?

  by CivilServant79 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hi there this is my first post as i’m not sure what to do.

  my family (both sides) are well known in our circuit and very dedicated to the truth.

  but we’re relatively normal people and i love them all so much.

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  john.prestor

  A committee requires two witnesses or a confession in the presence of the committee. Your uncle only counts for one, but if you tell him you don't believe in god, and you tell another family member later, even though you told both individually that counts together as two witnesses if they both run to the Elders. Keep that in mind. Your uncle doesn't need to run to the Elders. He is one.

  Look, you're getting a lot of advice and I'm giving you advice too but here's what it comes down to, you need to trust your gut because you actually know the guy but also think ahead about what you want to come out of this. Are you looking to feel better? Most likely if you're honest with the guy he's gonna make you feel worse. Are you looking for affirmation? He's not going to give it to you. What do you hope to come out of the conversation with him?
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  Jephthah's daughter : A shining example of singleness

  by Diogenesister in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  really watchtower?

  jephthah's daughter as an example of what a girl wants to be when she grows up??.

  a burnt offering?!!.

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  john.prestor

  Half banana, wish I could agree with you but ever since Rutherford published 'Children' (which encouraged Witnesses not to have kids) the organization's leadership thinks they can and should tell Witnesses what to do as far as refusing to procreate or marry. And I'm sure it goes back a lot longer than that, probably into Russell's time, I'm just not familiar enough with his writings.