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  New Blog - Divorce has been filed from JW husband!

  by madisoncembre in

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  the divorce from the jw husband has been filed (finally!).

  here are my musings on the subject in short form:.

  still feel a bit sad about the entire thing.

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  madisoncembre: My estranged husband has told my daughter he will likely re-marry.

  Do they allow that? I was under the impression that remarriage is only okay if adultery has been proven.
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  JWs unrecognisable compared to my grandfathers time

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my grandfather who has been dead for 37 years would not recognise the borganisation today.

  he would turn in his grave if he knew the end didn’t come by 2023.. back in the 1970s he really believed in the 75 thing.

  he was so disappointed and almost blamed everyone else why the end didn’t come.

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  Put a guy at the head of an organization that is convinced that he is being guided by god through the holy spirit, and he can't help but get an oversized ego from it. Ray Franz's book made it seem like Knorr and Fred Franz were quite unhappy with the committee approach that the organization adopted in the 70s. Now they had to share that power. Getting promoted to president of the organization must have felt a bit hollow to Franz after that.

  I was too young to remember anyone saying much about Knorr, but I can recall people speaking of Fred Franz in reverent tones.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  original reddit post (removed).

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  You know your case is screwed when even the United Parcel Service is telling you to drop it.
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  Jws getting drunk

  by Farmer Jim1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  has anyone got any good 'jws and alcohol' stories?

  i always found it amazing that so many jws got blind drunk at parties and got away with it!

  i suppose alcohol was the only fun thing we were allowed to partake in....

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  Ron W: A few days later his wife rang and tried to berate me for taking him out and getting him drunk.

  So, looks like he tried to cover for being drunk by claiming it was your fault. Sounds like a grade A scumbag.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

  1. watchtower
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  original reddit post (removed).

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  Judges the WTS for its immorality, doesn't like people pointing out his immoral behavior.

  Uses Twitter to post negative opinions about others, doesn't like when others post negative opinions about him.

  The world just refuses to cooperate with him, doesn't it?
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  Secret Elders Book? Bwahahaha!

  by NotFormer in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i remember a couple of decades ago when the internet was relatively young and the wt was at war with it, that they were battling to keep the pay attention book secret, commencing legal action against anyone who published it online (and of course, trying to out anyone who leaked it).

  i think it was a norwegian skeptics organisation who had it available for download and dared the wt lawyers to come after them.. so i guess the new shepherd the flock book came out to try and put the genie back in the bottle and reassert some air of mystery and secrecy back into the equation.. so i typed jehovah's witnesses secret elder book into google.

  colour me gobsmacked!

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  Does it need to be a 'secret' book? If the instruction comes from the Bible, they shouldn't worry that the rank and file might read it.
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  Is AI going to change the world?

  by Reasonfirst in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  had lunch with a friend, whose a lecturer in the accounting dept.

  of one of australia's best universities.

  he told me he expects to lose his job at some point in the next 5 years, as the accounting dept, will disappear, as all accounting will be done by ai programs, so why teach it.. if his fears are correct, that means that any profession that involves the mind, may one day face the same future.

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  I think the more logical concern is that of poorly-configured or out-of-date models. We know that buggy software can cause all kinds of problems, and we know that some of them are obvious (crashes, graphical glitches) and others can be very subtle yet dangerous (incorrect output that can have catastrophic long-term effects).

  Slim mentioned that AI is already doing a good job with human hands when it generates art. This sort of relatively obvious change will be a good way to see who is using outdated AI to generate art. In time, we may be able to tell which version of AI they are using by the quality of the work. In other fields, using outdated or poorly-designed AI can create problems that we don't see right away, but that can be significant nonetheless.

  As with just about every human discovery and invention, we are likely to learn a few lessons the hard way.
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  Were Bible writers flat earthers?

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  job 26:7 he stretches out the northern sky over empty space, well should it be the southern that has empty space under it?.

  the north pole has the earth under it?.

  the south pole has empty space under it?.

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  I can at least see where the WTS would say that "circle" referred to a spherical planet.

  And burying their feces was certainly a smart and healthy practice, though there is no indication that it was done for hygienic purposes. This was in the context of soldiers in the field, and the reason given was that the camp had to be holy, because "God walks throughout your camp."

  But DNA from the Psalmist talking about a cataloging of parts when he was in the womb? That's a real stretch.

  I recall a video of Richard Dawkins's expression when a young Muslim girl explained to him that the Quran described the deep ocean currents, which was an indication that the Islamic holy book had the same scientific knowledge that some Christians ascribe to the Bible. If the text is vague enough, it can be reshaped endlessly to fit new discoveries, and always appears to be a step ahead of human knowledge and understanding.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  LMsA: I think Kim should be given first crack at interpreting what is found and that it is shared amongst the names “defendants” before being released.

  That's a good idea. It would be awesome if they all put out videos discussing the case once they had a translated copy. Especially if the case has been closed or dismissed.
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  Mary And The Two Witness Rule

  by NotFormer in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/47672/top-secret-confidential.

  in the above page, the september 1, 1987 watchtower article about breaching confidentiality is quoted.

  mary is a medical worker and finds out that someone in congregation has had an abortion.

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  They may not have walked it back. Remember that they believe that they must follow Jehovah above all else, even if it means losing a job or even their lives. Breaking the law to 'keep the congregation spiritually clean' might be seen as the proper thing to do.

  I do wonder how they would handle it- would they surreptitiously try to get the info from the accused, and see if they could get them to confess without explaining how they knew? Would they come right out and reveal what they knew, knowing it could cost the snitch a job (and prospects for future employment in the field)? Would the WTS dare to hold it up as a good example?