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  How the Society can change anything they want

  by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

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  it's been a long time since i last posted here.

  however in light of recent changes i have thought a bit about things and have come to the conclusion that the society might.

  .. use the "evil slave" argument.

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  TonusOH

  They would probably present it as new light and imply that Jehovah had his reasons for misleading them all of this time. In the past, they have used the excuse that their incorrect predictions had a beneficial effect. So, even if they were wrong, they did the right thing, and it was proof that god was on their side. If you can get away with that, you are free to make all kinds of changes without worrying about the rank-and-file. They will go along.

  The issue is with exJWs and/or worldly courts, which won't be inclined to accept "we meant well" as an excuse.
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  Was it Designed?

  by Jeffro in

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  the jw website is currently featuring a piece: the shell of the diabolical ironclad beetle​—was it designed?

  it is part of their regular tedious 'was it designed?

  ' series that purports that very very specific animal species must have been specifically designed because of some seemingly amazing feature.. but they seem completely unaware that this directly contradicts their notion that only very broad 'kinds' were required on the mythical 'ark'.

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  TonusOH

  It's an interesting series. I can't wait for the next episode: Necrotizing fasciitis -- was it designed?
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  Im hearing some say that the Org is about to reverse the No Blood policy - about to change...

  by BeaverEater in

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  uh, i wonder if that is true... hearing this from friends within bethel... gonna laugh my ass of if they change this....

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  TonusOH

  Blood is a finite resource, in a manner of speaking. Hospitals are always looking for ways to minimize its use, and JWs have occasionally benefitted.

  I doubt that they will announce a clear change in direction, because it could open them up to lawsuits and more unwanted attention. But it would not surprise me if they kept hinting that it was now a conscience issue and not a line in the sand. They have weakened the policy so much with the allowance of fractions that easing up on the use of whole blood wouldn't be a scandal.
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  What exactly IS 1914 these days?

  by Halcon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it's no longer a year tying to the present (the old pre-1995 generation belief).

  realistically, that's the only reason why it mattered.

  and if it doesn't really matter what it is anymore, why would jw not do away with it?.

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  TonusOH

  Letting 1914 fade away also means they no longer have to deal with the 607BC date. Granted, this is not something the rank and file pay much attention to. But not having to try to explain it anymore (or even accepting the 587/586 date) would be one less annoying detail to have to deal with (for the leadership).
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  Disaster preparedness

  by ElderBerry in

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  2. experiences

  as your family considers its disaster preparedness plan, please ensure that the secretary has up-to-date contact information for you and your emergency contact.

  also, we have re- peatedly seen good results when brothers and sisters are prepared with go bags and are ready to obey direction when they face various kinds of disasters.

  please be sure you have a go bag, and review its contents at least once a year.

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  TonusOH

  It's a good idea to have some supplies ready in case of emergency.

  But what they are prepping for isn't an emergency. Will they really miss out on paradise because they didn't have a bag full of Spam and crackers on the day Jehovah decided to wage his final war on wickedness?
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  What exactly IS 1914 these days?

  by Halcon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it's no longer a year tying to the present (the old pre-1995 generation belief).

  realistically, that's the only reason why it mattered.

  and if it doesn't really matter what it is anymore, why would jw not do away with it?.

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  I guess they may be able to get away with keeping the 1914 date and 1919 confirmation if they drop the 'generations' part. Which they were on the way to doing after 1995. Bringing it back with the overlapping generations explanation was a dumb thing to do.

  After all, there is so much that has been forgotten and left behind, including the fact that the 1914 calculations were for the start/end of Armageddon, not the beginning of the last days. Or how Russell used 1799 and 1874 as dates for the return of Christ and the beginning of the last days. Or how Rutherford started his tenure as WT president by making one failed prediction after another. And so on, right through 1975 and the 1995 change that invalidated so many of their 'time is short' warnings.

  Stop talking about it, and it goes away. The rank-and-file don't know anything about the predictions for 1918, 1920, 1925, 1941, 1954, and 1975. They aren't aware of the change in 1995, and probably wouldn't know anything about the 'generation' teaching if not for the 2010 update. All they know is that 'some people may have gotten carried away in the past and read more into the WTS's words than was warranted'. The worst stuff has already been memory-holed. It wouldn't be that difficult to do the same with 1914, perhaps.
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  Norway

  by St George of England in

  1. watchtower
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  so the wt society is going to contest the recent norway ruling.. jehovah’s witnesses to appeal unconstitutional ruling in norway (jw.org).

  their true colours are shown in the statement: "the decision to deregister jehovah’s witnesses denies us the financial aid and other benefits that the government provides to over 700 registered religious communities in the country.

  additional consequences include losing the right to appoint and authorize ministers of jehovah’s witnesses as officiants for weddings.".

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  Not only does it seem inconsistent for them to accept government subsidies, they are turning to secular courts to try to get those payments reinstated.
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  Lloyd Evans Patreoff Pool April 2024

  by DerekMoors in

  1. social
  2. humour

  you know the drill.

  here's an updated chart and i'm using 356 because that's where he's at today.

  please let me know if there's anything you think might be added.

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  ...and the elephants!
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  Prediction: no more changes for a long while

  by slimboyfat in

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  i’ve noticed a pattern where things don’t go the way i expect them to go and/or whenever i realise there is a trend and, i mentally adjust for the idea that the trend will continue, the trend stops in its tracks.

  so on that basis, and given many people, including myself, and active jws, have been asking ‘what changes will the governing body make next?’ perhaps the (disappointing) answer is: ‘nothing much for a while to come’.

  maybe they’ve made the changes they want for now, and will wait a while and see how it’s received.

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  TonusOH

  I wonder if they will end up with a situation like they have with the blood policy, only with DF instead. Where they keep making changes in response to pressure, slowly chipping away at it but never really reaching a conclusion. Then they are stuck with a policy that is mostly useless but can still do a lot of harm in the wrong circumstances.

  I guess that is one way to know that the policy was wrong in the first place. That no matter how much you "adjust" it, it continues to be a bad idea until/unless you get rid of it completely.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  TonusOH

  Maybe he can make a video on the one-year anniversary of the "things are bad" video and title it "things are worse and my supporters officially suck." He can then ask if anyone has the means to send him on another trip across the ocean so that he can bang hookers try more illegal drugs rediscover his zest for living.