Posts by TonusOH

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

TonusOH

pepperheart2: WOW tonus you should make a new thread with that post

Thanks, pepperheart2. There are a few topics discussing the recent news from the WTS, I think I made similar comments in those. Good topics! And, as is being pointed out by others, a pretty big topic for JWs and exJWs, yet Evans can only dedicate a few minutes to it.

I have to say, I think his video is so short because he's not really paying attention to the WTS. You would think that Evans, of all people, would have a LOT to say about these recent changes and what they might mean for the organization. I don't think he can be bothered anymore. He got comfortable with other people doing the behind-the-scenes work. He probably thinks that researching the matter himself is beneath him.

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Real reasons behind this change?

by Gorb in

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just a good conversation at home about the hour report change.. we think the change was not impmemented because the gb are such a lovely bunch of old grandpa's having the best in mind for us individuals.. there will be only, and we say only, an organizational reason for it.

a legal reason, to protect jw.org and it's officials and wealth.. next step?

maybe selling more kh and when jw hollywood studio's in rampoo are ready a change to tv subscription.. what do you think?

TonusOH

It can increase the total of active publishers, yes. And since they only will report the hours of pioneers, they can show a "per person" monthly total that is much higher than it was in the past. A sort of creative bookkeeping, where you no longer record the numbers that drag down the averages.

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With no reporting necessary do they still need a territory guy?

by carla in

now that they no longer have to report hours do they still need a territory guy?

maps?

etc...?.

TonusOH

Maybe that is why they appear to have changed the belief regarding salvation. If these changes mean fewer people hear the good news, they won't be doomed because they can repent at the last moment and be saved.

I'm amazed at any changes that subvert the sense of urgency that they have preached for more than 100 years.

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Encouraging scriptures for the day

by Kosonen in

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hello my friends,.

here are some encouraging scriptures for the day:.

revelation 21:2 i also saw the holy city, new jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from god and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.. hebrews 11:10 for he (abraham) was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is god.. revelation 21:24 and the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.. revelation 22:1 and he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of god and of the lamb 2 down the middle of its main street (of the holy city).

TonusOH

1 Corinthians 13:1-8

If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.

Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.

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No more REPORTING field service!!!!!!!!!

by BoogerMan in

this is going to break the hearts of a lot of uber-jw's!

reddit has now removed the video link of samuel herd telling jw's they will no longer have to report time or placements - just tick a box which says "active.".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akdshyx79rm&t=13s.

TonusOH

Yes, it's tougher to keep people shielded from the WTS's past. When you can show someone the org's own words in its own publications, it is a real test for them.

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New Zealand - JWs head to court on Abuse in Care Inquiry - RNZ news story

by EasyPrompt in

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/jehovahs-witnesses-head-to-court-on-abuse-in-care-inquiry-victims-feel-a-kick-in-the-guts/hwjsnshi5vfv7ghjztr63goseu/.

"by bill hickman of rnz.

the new zealand branch of the jehovah’s witnesses is going to court in an attempt to have the church made exempt from the abuse in care inquiry today.. in the high court at wellington, lawyers for the church are seeking a declaration that the church is not responsible for the care of children or vulnerable people in new zealand.. abuse survivor advocate and former church elder shayne mechen said the church was trying to use a technicality to side-step its inclusion in the inquiry.. .

TonusOH

The WTS argument seems to be that they did not provide facilities where such abuse could have occurred, so they cannot be a part of the inquiry.

That's not what the inquiry is about, is it? I assume it's the same as the ones in different countries, where they are saying that the WTS did not do enough to protect children from such predators, or do enough when they learned of such abuse. This is not the same as saying they are liable because abuse happened in facilities they managed or controlled.

It is a bad look for them.

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This answers the question if the organization was going to go more Hardline or mainstream.

by nowwhat? in

looks like we can expect a kinder, gentler jehovah and jesus during the great tribulation.

the door will not be closed to all non jws at the start of the tribulation.

but will have time to repent after false religion is destroyed.

TonusOH

Making the religion less onerous might help get more people to join. But at the same time, if you're offering nothing and leaving the door open to a last-second conversion, what reason would anyone have to join?

For the rank and file, there is the sudden realization that, after a century of promoting the door-to-door work as critical and a lifesaving effort... it didn't really matter. All that matters is signing on at the very end. Makes for a nicer god, but not a very profitable religion.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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friends

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

TonusOH

The change they made in the 1990s with literature might have started them on the path that they find themselves on now. I think a major reason for these changes is the decrease in income, which wasn't a problem when they were 'placing' millions of books and magazines and receiving payment for each one.

They could afford to advise the rank and file to eschew higher education and better-paying jobs when they could raise money from literature sales. And it was simple greed that ended the practice; they didn't want to pay taxes on literature sales, so they figured they could dump the responsibility on the individual publishers and get around it. That did not turn out the way they hoped.

Now they are looking to open the doors in the hopes that people will join and provide a quickly-growing base from which to collect donations. I don't think that will go very well for them, but it should be interesting to watch.

Hmm, I'm looking at my analysis in light of the topic we are in, and it almost seems an appropriate comparison. Make bad decisions based on personal desires, and watch as things start to fall apart...

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Has The WT Allowed Outsiders to be Saved?

by NotFormer in

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1734baj/they_just_had_a_huge_meeting/.

this reddit post suggests that the cessation of reporting hours isn't the only thing announced at the recent meeting.

can anyone in, or sufficiently well versed in jwdom confirm that the op's understanding of this announcement correct?.

TonusOH

Interesting. If the idea is that you can wait until actual proof is established, then faith becomes meaningless.

It could be damaging to the WTS if they are promoting this idea, but it actually makes sense. A just god would make sure we knew the truth instead of just waiting to see if we believe it, sight unseen. It's not the sort of idea you can make money off of, though. I don't expect it to become popular.

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Real reasons behind this change?

by Gorb in

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friends

just a good conversation at home about the hour report change.. we think the change was not impmemented because the gb are such a lovely bunch of old grandpa's having the best in mind for us individuals.. there will be only, and we say only, an organizational reason for it.

a legal reason, to protect jw.org and it's officials and wealth.. next step?

maybe selling more kh and when jw hollywood studio's in rampoo are ready a change to tv subscription.. what do you think?

TonusOH

It could actually be a boost to informal witnessing, since you can claim time if you have a few conversations with people. Much better than knocking on rows of doors on a weekend morning, or accosting people on the street.

On the other hand, people will soon tire of having every conversation turned into a JW pitch meeting. Can't win them all!