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  Who Are the "Other Sheep" and Jesus "Brothers" ?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  watchtower plays lots of games with definitions.

  once they change a definition then they have a false assumption to build their deception on.

  then they repeat the new definition and use its new meaning thousands of times to reinforce it.

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  The WTS uses the 'second prophetic fulfillment' concept to build new doctrines. That way, even if you read the original text and see the obvious conclusion (for example, that the 'other sheep' referred to non-Israelites), they can add an additional interpretation that applies to the present day (that the 'other sheep' refer to a non-heavenly hope). If we point out that this is not the original meaning, they will say that they are not challenging that interpretation; they have received divine guidance towards a second, modern fulfillment.

  They did this with the "generation" teaching. It's nonsense on stilts, once you step back and see it without the cult blinders. But it is effective on those who are still in, because it doesn't mess with the original (and often clear) explanation. It adds a completely new one.
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  My guess for August WatchTower: GB claims we're in beginning stages of Great Tribulation due to World governments turning on JW's

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the september watchtower has already been released and is being discussed over on reddit.

  some highlights: .

  1. more hitting the flock on total reliance and obedience to god's representatives on earth today, the f&ds (the governing body, of course).

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  I wonder if the younger GB members are cringing at this messaging. They are the ones who will have to deal with the fallout when there is no GT and the world keeps going on as usual. There will be so much for them and any new recruits to clean up once the old guard has finally moved on.

  But I hope they are not trying to imply that the CSA allegations, lawsuits, and investigations are a sign of the end. That could go very badly for them if they lose any high-profile cases or if more mainstream attention is given to the investigations. Your average JW knows only what the organization is telling them. And that message is probably still something like "JWs do not tolerate CSA or abusers. Although such cases may occur, the organization does everything in its power to protect children and remove abusers, unlike so many false churches." The further that their message gets from what is being reported, the tougher it will be on the rank-and-file to ignore it.
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  Stupid dumb ass changes yet blood and 1914 no change???wtfge???

  by Witness 007 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  yeah wow women can finally wear pants and men beards...but 1914 is still a date not accepted since charles russell times and blood fractions are evil!!.

  are they crazy!!!

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  The 1914 teaching, by itself, isn't a huge problem for them (at least, as long as we ignore that Russell's interpretation was that 1914 was the date of the end itself, not the beginning of the end). The problem is that they added the "this generation" teaching to it, which created a sense of urgency, which is useful for end-days cults.

  They quietly dropped that part in 1995, and that should have solved the problem. But without it, they don't have the sense of urgency anymore. So they came up with "overlapping generations." It's a really bad idea that they are stuck with for at least a while longer, and which I expect they will finally drop for good once the old guard are gone.
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  JWN staying at the top of Google Search

  by blondie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i noticed awhile ago jw.org was first; now jwn is back being first.

  what determines that?.

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  I think the search results are influenced by your activity and browsing history, as well. It's difficult to say, since Bing has such an awful search function (made significantly worse by AI) and Google buries the actual results under almost a full page of paid adverts.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  Simon: He'll be one of those types that bemoans how poor he is when he's older because he didn't work and plan for that future.

  And he won't admit that it's his own fault. Much easier to blame everyone else for his misfortunes. One thing that he might not realize is that he won't be able to count on patrons or wealthy supporters to keep comping him free vacations and trips around the world. Even the most hardcore supporters will eventually run out of patience, interest, or money.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  I wonder if there will eventually be an update from him, griping about how quickly the courts are moving.
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  I'll just leave this 'ere

  by stan livedeath in

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  2. beliefs

  woman who died and 'went to heaven' says she now knows when armageddon will happen (msn.com).

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  I guess this means that suicide doesn't prevent you from going to heaven.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  In the livestream, he said that he wasn't having an affair-- he did not want a relationship, he wanted sex.

  That has always been his approach. Sexting with "women," his obsession with jerking off, paying for sex, etc. He likes the physical thrill, but does not want any strings attached. A wife and two daughters are a lot of strings. The "problems with their marriage" and their "incompatibility" with one another might simply be a case of him wanting her to be there when he wanted sex, and staying out of his way the rest of the time.
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  Yesterday's Public Talk: '' Reject Worldly Fantasies, Pursue Kingdom Realities''

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my brother ( an elder ) calls me every time he's assigned a public talk.

  he believes listening to zoom meetings is a great start, to eventually attending in-person meetings.

  the talk is titled : '' reject worldly fantasies, pursue kingdom realities.

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  "Worldy fantasies"? Like making billions in real-estate sales?
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  Where is Tony?

  by Athanasius in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  on february 22, 2023, anthony morris iii was officially removed from the governing body of jehovah's witnesses.

  a few months later it was revealed that the watchtower bought him a house in lumberton, north carolina.. however, and correct me if i am wrong, since leaving the gb nobody has reported seeing tony attending jw meetings or participating in field service.

  in fact nobody has reported seeing him anywhere, not even at a local liquor store.

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  slientbuddha: There is literally a garden chair that’s pushed directly up under the door handle of the house

  Top-notch security!

  My guess is that he was the only one in the GB pushing back against changes that the rest wanted to implement. It came to a head and he agreed to step down. Anything else, I have no clue. But a man of his age might have some health issues, and the stress of leaving a position as lofty as 'GB member' certainly would not help his blood pressure any. Especially if he was effectively pushed out.

  Time will tell. I'm impressed that they managed to keep it as hush-hush as they have, but I would imagine that we'll learn a lot more, eventually.