Im now a proud member of the Libertarian Party, and work towards getting America back to its path of individual liberty and personal responsibility.
Snowball
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What Do You Stand For?
by Corvin inhonestly now, either you stand for something, or get knocked down for nothing.
brother, it seems absurd to be hammering pith like a poet with a loss for words.
trying to describe and angels face .
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Which Doctrine Convinced You That This Wasn't Right
by ignorance is strength inwhat wt doctrine convinced or made you doubt your faith in the wtbts?
for me it was the 144,000 and the nature of christ's resurrection.
i seriously could not believe that there were two classes of christians when it was not stated implicitly in the bible, but was expected to be believed in as absolute truth.
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For me...the first doctrine I disproved for myself was the 607 chronology. It was like a house of cards after that. The blood doctrine was what got me kicked out though.
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The "Left Behind" book series. Has anyone read the books?
by Yizuman inhas anyone read the "left behind" book series?
http://www.leftbehind.com .
yizuman.
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Snowball
I remember reading somewhere about Tim LaHaye and Jenkins have certain biblical prophetic chronologies that parralel adventist/JW thought. They hold to the erroneous date of 606 or 607 for the fall of Jerusalem and figure it into their calculations. I personally would not trust a word from people who hold those chronological theories, but their books may be decent entertainment.
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30 more anointed last year..what the...
by Fruitcake inhey, .
ive been on other sites, and i am a disfellowshipped witness dropping in to say hi, wanted to say that i have noticed that there have been 30 more anointed that have bit the cracker...and drunk the wine .anyone know how the gb is explaining this one?
thought the numbers would be going down , from how i was taught.....is the gb hoping no one will notice this , or will they be sending assassins to help lower that number?.
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Snowball
I remember a talk i gave some years ago about the number of annointed going down. During my research I actually came upon figures that showed that some years the numbers increased. I ignored those figures as not being applicable to the theme of the talk. This is one of those episodes I look back on and am struck in the face with the realization that I was working under the influence of mind control.
Wayne Rogers
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for those who "grew up in the borg"
by zev inat this late, middle stage of my life, i've started wondering, now that i know what i know, about the things in my life that i "lived" with.
having been raised all my life in the "borg" i have known nothing else.
when questions began forming years ago, it started me thinking.
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Hehee..yea I grew up in the borg too. My hero is 7of9 who also had to struggle with leaving what she was raised in.
My world-view has changed drasticcally, but I still feel like I am the same person. My moral and ethical values are still rather modest and conservative. I guess I am not like that story of the spring that gets let go of too fast and goes wild.
One thing about me now is that ive become rather withdrawn and hermitlike. I used to be in the center of the social circle in my KH, but now Ive got used to being alone.
Its hard to say what has affected me so much being raised a JW because I got no real frame of reference for what it would be like if I wasnt a JW growing up. aw heck...I guess Im a basket-case for life ! ;-) lol
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Notes from 2001 District Conv.---Friday
by LostMyReligion inhere are a few notes i took at the friday session of the 2001 "teachers of god's word" district convention.
i thought i would share these upbuilding theocratic point with my new friends, along with my thoughts as i was listening to the program.
1st instruction of the day: sing loudly and listen to the prayer!
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I dont think I'l be attending this year. Last time I went to the Cow Palace assembly to take notes they assigned 4 watchmen to follow me the whole day and placed 14 watchmen around the stage at closing song and prayer. They falsely insinuated that i was there to pass out "literature" even though I had not a shred of anti-WT lit on me. I was absolutely amazed at how paranoid they were. And to think I used to be a watchman! LOL
Wayne Rogers
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R U disfellowshipped 2
by DFshipped inhi people.
i am a df'd person hoping to return to the fold.
i am not critical of the decision to df me nor of the loving organization i believe to be in the palm of jesus hand.. i would find it most encouraging to hear from others who feel the same and would like to "hold hands" on the way back.. this board is hailed as a supportive respectful place so if you do not fit this description may i ask you to move on and not hinder the participants here in following their god given right to pursue their goal.
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Dear DFshipped,
Thanx for the lucid answer. Its good to se that you have done your homework. There are plenty of DFd ones who go back without ever really asking themselves the important questions about the validity of the whole sect. I agree with you too that there are PLENTY of critics who appear to have no idea what they are talking about, or are just plain crazy. I just shake at my head at some of the argumentation used by many dogmatticcally trinitarian JW critics.
Nevertheless, it seems our paths of research have led us to opposite directions. If you are convinced in your decision, then godspeed to you! Dont think there arent times when I wish the events that led to my ousting never happened. I actually enjoyed being a JW, and didnt experience some of the nightmares that others have. I enjoyed being an MS in a warm and loving congregation. But there is no way I could go back now, even for just the social aspect. I simply do not believe them anymore and I refuse to live my life pretending to believe them.
But I respect your decision because you have put in the effort to know for yourself. All I ask is that, when you get back in, please be a part of the solution...not of the problem. I think you know what I mean.Sincerely,
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R U disfellowshipped 2
by DFshipped inhi people.
i am a df'd person hoping to return to the fold.
i am not critical of the decision to df me nor of the loving organization i believe to be in the palm of jesus hand.. i would find it most encouraging to hear from others who feel the same and would like to "hold hands" on the way back.. this board is hailed as a supportive respectful place so if you do not fit this description may i ask you to move on and not hinder the participants here in following their god given right to pursue their goal.
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I have no intention of hindering you. If you want to go back thats your perfect right. I am curious though if you have spent any of your time away actually researching the WT religion. I've done my homework, and I AINT goin back! Can you truly say you've done yours?
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Whatever Happened to Backbone?
by Roamingfeline inhi all.. just having my gripe for the day.. heh heh.
once upon a time, people had something called moral fibre.
they had ideals which they believed in.
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Hi Roamingfeline,
I also believe might be operating under some false assumptions. Lack of backbone, apathy, corruption....these have always existed. It is very common for people to fantasize that there was a time in recent history when society was upright and had strong values. I think its more a case of selective memory. For many, they hold up the decade of the fifties as a pinnacle of a virtuous generation. All this is as delusionary as believing that "Father Knows Best" and "Leave It To Beaver" were accurate representations of real life.
Now, there is simply more access to information and less desire to 'whitewash' over the less desirable traits. Take the Clinton thing for example. The first presidential adulterer? yea right! JF Kennedy is well known to have done his fair share of carousing, yet he is held up as an exemplary president and gets his head printed on money. ...Selective memory.
Good and bad have always existed together. Humans are a study of contrast even within themselves. Society evolves...and has setbacks. This nation was founded by bigoted slave-owners, many of whom belonged to the Order Of Masons. Yet here we are taking a day off to celebrate George Washingtons birthday. Jefferson and Lincoln were no enlightened pillars of virtue either. But society keeps on evolving, and despite its flaws and growing pains, I think we live in a pretty good time in history.
Even the Bible acknowledges the trait of people to over-romantisize the past:
*** Rbi8 Ecclesiastes 7:10 ***
10 Do not say: "Why has it happened that the former days proved to be better than these?" for it is not due to wisdom that you have asked about this. -
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Russia calls for banning JWs
by Dogpatch insent: friday, february 16, 2001 9:00 pm.
subject: kns russia: prosecutor calls for ban on jehovah's witnesses.
witness ban.
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Snowball
This is really a difficult thing here. On one hand, I have no desire to see the spread of JW indoctrination. But on the other, I loath religious persecution. Surely there has to be a better way of handling semi-cultic religious groups than bans? Do they not realise that banning simply reinforces the groups indoctrinations?
Also, I've been loosely following the Russia case, and am appalled at just how bungled the prosecution is. They clearly are not informed enough about JWs. They seem to be going after them for all the wrong reasons, with all the wrong arguments. Any one of us could make a much more lucid...and fair-minded...case than those Russian prosecutors could.