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Would you ban the Witnesses?

by Joker10 in

jw
friends

if it were up to you, would you ban the jw's?

would you go that far?

It depends on what you are asking if I would ban them at or in doing. If I could ban them from coming to my door when my kids were teens, I would. I tried to, but their leaders have gone to court many times to fight for their "religious rights to go doo-to-door directing people to their organization", but their leaders will NOT RESPECT our religous rights in believing and trying to practice that we DO NOT WANT them coming to our doors. To OUR HOMES and attempting to direct OUR TEENAGERS. I called the Watchtower Society INC and gave my full name and address to THREE DIFFERENT people that I was tossed to on the phone and explianed that I DON'T WANT YOU AT MY DOORSTEP TRYING TO PLAY ON AND USE THE EMOTIONS MY CHILDREN ARE GOING THROUGH AS TEENAGERS STUCK IN BETWEEN CHILDHOOD AND ADULTHOOD TO RAKE THEM INTO YOUR SECT. It did NO GOOD and THEY DID NOT RESPECT MY RELGIOUS BELIEFS AND DID NOT ALLOW ME THAT MUCH CONSIDERATION.

So for any who have teens such as 14-16 that are home alone sometimes, I would suggest that you send a CERTIFIED LETTER to the Watchtower Society INC. so that you can protect children's lives and the WTS would be FORCED TO RESPECT YOUR RELIGIOUS RIGHTS LEGALLY, AS A PARENT. State that you do not want them at your door and that you will take legal action if any JWs even speak to your children at the door of your own home. Save the reciept from your certified letter and put it in a safe place. It's worth the effort because if your children get sucked into this cult, they will severe family ties for this organization.

The Wathctower Society is ONLY concerned about money, so therefore, the only way they would respect your wishes as to what goes on at YOUR OWN DOOR, IN REGARDS TO YOUR OWN CHILDREN, is if money is involved. If you say that you will take legal action, that will make them respond. And they will MAKE SURE they call your local congregation and inform them to stay off your property and to leave your children alone.

peace,

gwen

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What REALLY Happens During A Judicial Meeting

by minimus in

jw
friends

you're in front of 3 elders and are being asked all types of questions.

you are afraid that you might get disfellowshipped.

the elders tell you that you must speak the truth, since jehovah hears all and since jehovah hates a liar.

somebody

After reading everyone's expereineces here, is it safe to say that there can be no such thing as a hung jury on JW judicial committee? And that if there is a hung jury on a GB committee ( when voting on what acts that will be considered a "sin" according to the organization) meeting then the "sin"/"act that would not need "counselling" becomes a conscience matter for followers/adherents?

peace,

gwen

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improper conduct

by zev in

jw
friends

doubtless many of us have been to assemblies, and every may the km would come out with an insert about what you were expected to do and how to act.. reviewing the km's over the years , you can see the negative positve "councel".

how to dress, how to act, howt to tip!.

after reading this, doesn't it just want to make you run to attend the next d.c. ?

somebody

HEY!

I LOVE that shirt on my zev! It brings out the beautiful sexy arms and chest of the nice looking guy, MY zev!!!

Here's a closer look for ya'll!

peace,

gwen

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Loyalty to who or what?

by ozziepost in

a question in the current written review asserts that "the loyalty that marks jehovah's organisation transcends every human relationship, such as that of close flesh-and-blood relatives.

" - question 35 .

note that loyalty that "transcends every human relationship" is not to god, but to the 'organisation'.

somebody

Ozzie and all,

Interesting.

And I'd like to add how developing the loyalty to the organization first begins.

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ARE INSTRUCTED BY THIER "IMPERFECT HUMAN LEADERS" RIGHT FROM INITIAL CONTACT TO DIRECT ATTENTION TO THEMSELVES ( MEANING THE ORGANIZATION BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THE ORGANIZATION IS). So the door-to-door preaching that is done is NOT TEACHING AND DIRECTING PEOPLE TO CHRIST, AND NOT ABOUT THE KINGDOM OF GOD AS CLAIMED.

This really says what the message is that is instucted to be preached. It starts right from the day a JW shows up at your door. It happens so quickly that people don't realize what's happening to them and what their brain is being fed.

km 4/93 3-4

"To the House of Jehovah Let Us Go" (And the title if honest, should read: To The House of the Watchtower Soceity Let Us Direct Others)

3 Direct Interest to the Organization:

From our initial contact with interested persons, we should be directing their attention to the organization. While we may be able personally to locate scriptures and explain fundamental doctrines, we are not the source of such knowledge . Everything we have learned has come from the organization, channeled through the slave class that supplies food at the proper time. (Matt. 24:45-47) From the start, new ones need to realize that pure worship involves more than just us or even the local congregation; there is an organized, theocratic, worldwide societyoperating under Jehovahs direction. 4 The direction we receive originates with Jehovah, who has promised to guide and teach us. (Ps. 32:8; Isa. 54:13) ....

So if the organized,theocratic, worldwide society is operating under God's direction, one would think that the instruction would be disseminated primarily through the Bible, right?

WRONG!

The article continues.....

" This instruction is disseminated primarily through our literature. If we can help interested ones develop a high regard for the literature, recognizing it as a source of lifesaving instruction , they will be far more likely to read and apply its message than to discard it quickly. "

There ya have it. They consider their own writings to be lifesaving. And instuct it's followers to go door-to door directing others to become loyal to it.

They go therefore making baptized publishers, baptizing in the name of the Father, the Son, and in association with their organization.

peace,

gwen

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So JW can't receive it but can they give it?

by Jaina in

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i am a catholic woman who is marrying a jw.....i have posted on this subject alone extensively on the adults and disagreements board so that is not really what i want to discuss here..question is about blood.. my daughter from a previous marriage is type a+ and her father lives 2 states away....now my fiance the jw has the same type blood as her as i do not..i am o+ .....so can a jw donate blood in case of emergency?.

can a jw give blood for testing.....in case of illness or whatever?.

somebody

AlanF,

what about autologous whole blood, to be used later as whole blood?

Still a no no.

Wasn't it stated that autologous whole blood was accepted by JWs on the blood cards that were published and then taken back before they were distributed to JWs because of the date on them a year ago or so?

peace,

somebody

Edited by - somebody on 31 January 2003 17:11:15

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So JW can't receive it but can they give it?

by Jaina in

.

i am a catholic woman who is marrying a jw.....i have posted on this subject alone extensively on the adults and disagreements board so that is not really what i want to discuss here..question is about blood.. my daughter from a previous marriage is type a+ and her father lives 2 states away....now my fiance the jw has the same type blood as her as i do not..i am o+ .....so can a jw donate blood in case of emergency?.

can a jw give blood for testing.....in case of illness or whatever?.

somebody

hi Jaina,

I'd love to say more ,but it has nothing to do with your serious question. Only about your relationship with a JW.

So, please go here and read and pay attention to what AlanF said. This serious subject seems to be somewhat of a secret unless you call the right people in the JW organization. So keep in mind what he said and find and keep the right phone numbers of the people who can give you the life saving advice your might someday need. Keep it by your phone as you would the police and fire department. And give you JW mate the number once you dig and find it. Seems like this subject is not priority enough for the organizational higher-ups to make this information repetative study articles such as they do with the subject of pioneering for the Watchtower INC printing business.

Here is the link:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=45137&site=3

peace,

somebody

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Goodbye to everyone..

by Lin in

jw
friends

first, i'd like to thank everyone here that has befriended me for your kindness and support.

having you to talk to after leaving the org made the shunning of everyone i ever knew and family much more bearable.

i initially came here for emotional support due to shunning and also to have questions regarding doctrine answered, which has been accomplished.

somebody

Lin,

I have read your posts and have read your experiences. Any time certain people say goodbye who I bonded to and might not say that to them, I feel a sense of sadness, combined with gladness that they are able to move on. You are one of those people. I never seem to tell them till they say goodbye! I don't know why i'm like that but that's just the way it is. Not that I like that about myself. { must be the curse on the Pisces! }

As for me, I've been here for going on 3 years and I don't think I'll say goodbye here till the day Simon and Angarad close down if they ever do because I have such an emotional bond to people here. So in that way, i know I'll never move on untill I'm actually forced to. I take breaks from posting, but barely ever do reading and trying to catch up.

I wish only the best for you and have only well thoughts all around going you way.

Take care!

peace to you,

gwen......who has a hard time with good-byes.

Edited by - somebody on 31 January 2003 14:35:26

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Fifth Estate now available on Streaming Media

by Simon in

many thanks to 'reporter' for sending this to me.. just click here:.

streaming media.

view recently broadcast tv programmes nbc dateline and bbc panorama.

somebody

ChrisV,

I can hear it, but not see it! AOL Realplayer popped up and it's playing on that. I don't know how to get Streaming Media.

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District Assembly Instructions

by RubaDub in

am i too thin-skinned or does anyone find that annual km insert dealing with the district assembly offensive???.

i mean, having to read and comment on those same things every year about not cooking in your hotel room, not to steal food if breakfast is offered, not to poop in the sinks, or whatever they say.

if you have to give those "reminders," it makes you wonder about the people you are sitting next to during the sessions.. *****rub a dub

somebody

Hi RubaDub, LOL! that's agreat name!

I just love it when I read things such as this in the KMs:

In the 5/99 Kingdom Ministry:
"Some of the food vendors in the convention facilities being used are now demanding that they be allowed to open their food stands and serve the delegates attending our conventions. If this were permitted, many worldly people would be mixing in company with us during the day."

Because we all know that the KMs are published and given to "insiders" who are JWs.

Then I turn around and read things such as this in

The Greatest man Whoever Lived book , in chapter 85

" The Pharisees and scribes treat common people like dirt under their feet. In fact, they use the hebrew expression `am haa'rets, "people of the land [earth]," to show the disdain they have for such ones. On the other hand, Jesus treats everyone with dignity, kindness, and compassion."

It could very well be said that...

The Jehovah's Witnesses treat common people like dirt under their feet. In fact, they use the expression "worldy", which is a synonym for the word "earthly",to show the disdain they have for such ones. On the other hand, Jesus treats everyone with dignity, kindness, and compassion.

In my opinion, the Watchtower INC printing factory teach it's followers to be Phariseelike. Not Chrsitlike.

peace,

somebody

Edited by - somebody on 30 January 2003 18:37:20

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Fifth Estate now available on Streaming Media

by Simon in

many thanks to 'reporter' for sending this to me.. just click here:.

streaming media.

view recently broadcast tv programmes nbc dateline and bbc panorama.

somebody

WOO HOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THANK YOU!!!!!

peace,

somebody