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If you ever Wondered why it is so HARD to Sue WT for being DFed- read this

by JT in

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in re: your status in the xxxx congregation of jehovah's witnesses, xxxxxxxxx.

e. when a judicial committee handling a case of wrongdoing reaches the conclusion that the unrepentant person would be disfellowshipped, then the committee will speak with the person and let the individual know of their decision to disfellowship him or her from the congregation.

the supreme court in serbian eastern orthodox diocese specifically held that the first amendment prohibits civil court inquiry into matters of internal church discipline.

somebody

The relation of a member of a congregation to the congregation is consensual as to both parties. A congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses is a voluntary association.

Just this alone is bullshit. Isn't it convenient how the WBTS leave out that they BRIBE "studies" into getting baptized/eligable to be disfellwshipped to begin with by threating them that they no longer have as much as the PRIVILEGE or PRAYER to God if they don't get baptized?

That is the same as me telling someone to adhere to my rules or God is no longer in their lives, therefore , they will die. And then turning around and saying that they voluntarily adhere to my rules, leaving all mention of the the threat or bribe out. the FACT would be that I used a bribe to influence their decision to adhere to my rules or not. What better higher power is their to use other than death and God?

Main Entry: [1]bribe
Pronunciation: 'brIb
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, something stolen, from Middle French, bread given to a beggar
Date: 15th century
1 : money or favor given or promised in order to influence the judgment or conduct of a person in a position of trust
2 : something that serves to induce or influence

Hi hawkaw.

Your good buddy Zev is doing great! he's a wonderful guy I tell ya! He's Mr. Perfect in my book.

I'm doing great too, cept I'm upset right now at the games the dirty, grimy printing factory play with people's lives, no matter the cost, nor how many lives they destroy.

gwen

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If you ever Wondered why it is so HARD to Sue WT for being DFed- read this

by JT in

jw
friends

in re: your status in the xxxx congregation of jehovah's witnesses, xxxxxxxxx.

e. when a judicial committee handling a case of wrongdoing reaches the conclusion that the unrepentant person would be disfellowshipped, then the committee will speak with the person and let the individual know of their decision to disfellowship him or her from the congregation.

the supreme court in serbian eastern orthodox diocese specifically held that the first amendment prohibits civil court inquiry into matters of internal church discipline.

somebody

I'm SO mad!

I just spent about a half hour responding to this post and when I went to post it, I lost it ALL !!!

I don't know if I even have it in me to start it all over again. but I will say this.....I WISH I WERE A LAWYER DEFENDING A DISFELLOWSHIPPED OR DISASSOCAITED MEMBER OF THE WATCHTOWER SOCIETY CORPORATION/PRINTING BUSINESS ! That whole letter contained nothing but bullshit and their own publications can proove it. Their fancy words mean shit. In plain english. which they would NEVER use.

I'll TRY and cool off (I think I broke my desk! ) and retype my original post.

Although this got my blood boiling, I do thank you JT. Thank you for posting the truth about business ethics of a multi-million dollar corporation.

somebody

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Vicki Boer v. Watchtower Child abuse Civil Trial - No News Yet but Update

by hawkaw in

victoria a. boer v. watch tower bible and tract society of canada et.al.

involves vicki suing the watchtower and some of its elders.

the organization treated her paedophile father in high regard even after vicki came forward.

somebody

Thank you for the update, hawkaw.

Vicki will be in our thoughts and prayers.

Here is the address for the Shelburne congregation that I found on the web.

Shelburne, Ontario,Congregation Of Jehovah's Witnesses

136 Marie Street

Shelburne

ON

CA

LON1S1

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Reminscing

by somebody in

here are just some of the people who touched my life in the chat room way back when,and didn't know they did because i never said so back then.

i pray that you all are ok and wish you all well.. # 1 plh!

i love ya girl!

somebody

Here are just some of the people who touched my life in the chat room way back when,and didn't know they did because I never said so back then. I pray that you all are ok and wish you all well.

# 1 PLH! I love ya girl! (((((((((((harmony))))))))))))))))))
safe4kids ((((((((( dana)))))))))))))
think41self (((((((((((( tracy))))))))))))))))))
venice(bwwwaaaaaa) ;-)
mommydark ( opened my eyes tremendously)
mommy/wendy
Jan H
Kent
Gopher ( touched my life in ways he'll never know) I thank you much and much more!
((((((((LDH))))))))))))))))

((((((((((((((((Cowboy)))))))))))))))))))))))))) ( Mr. Awsome in my book!)
BugEye and BugEye's Wife ( who I think left and wonder where they are at)

Ginny Tosken and wasasister ( had more effect on me than they'll ever know too)

ISP/PETER
(((((((((((((QWERTY)))))))))))))))))))
Introspective
Tom Talley
Farkel scmarkel/dickhead

I'm sorry if I missed anyone from way back when.

I just miss you all.

Plain a simple truth.

Thank you , Angharad and Simon.

I already know that people her touch the lives of others the way people did mine back then.

I'll never leave the DB unless I have no choice!

THE two people who touched my live on the board, though I never saw them in the chat are waiting and redhorsewoman.

:-D

just had to speak about positve influences in my life here!

gwen

PS....

My all time favorite would be the one and only,,..... Stephanus! Love his humor and himself, and I wish to someday meet him in person.

(((((((((((((((((((Stephanus)))))))))))))))))))) I miss your original picture! I loved it!

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What's with such young "elders"?

by Gig in

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how can the wts consider an unmarried man in his mid-twenties qualified to be an elder?

clearly the "theocratic" process of election by the holy spirit is not what's happening.

ever known any (too) young elders?

somebody

Speaking about elders in congregations. And I can't help but smile about what Princess said, for it is SO true!! How does a 25 year old councel a 30-60 year old about life in general and their PERSONAL relationship with God and their family?

You all might get a kick out of this

Watchtower May 1, 1955

Do Christians Take Honorary Titles? To appraise honorary titles intelligently we must know what the effect of using them is. Since they are a designation implying distinction and dignity, they create class distinctions. That is what exists among professed Christians today: the clergy and laity class distinctions. Early Christians were all brothers. They had no class distinctions, not the slightest trace of a hierarchy. If class distinctions cropped up, they were condemned and uprooted. Class distinctions were never condoned, as the Bible writer James showed: "You have class distinctions among yourselves and you have become judges rendering corrupt decisions, is that not so?" (Jas. 2:4, NW) Since honorary titles create class distinctions, could they really befit Christians?.......

What, now, of the title “Elder”? The Greek word translated “elder” in the King James Version Bible is presbýteros. Literally it means “older one” or “more aged one.” So it really is not a title. Paul said: “Make appointments of older men [“elders,” AV] in city after city.” (Titus 1:5, NW) Note carefully that those appointed to special privileges of service were not appointed to be elders but because they were elders or older men. The rule was that those who were to be appointed to be overseers (epískopos) over the flock of God were required to be “older men,” namely, those whose fruits of word, doctrine and conduct proved them to be “older men” or mature ones in a spiritual way. So the Bible gives no authority for using “elder,” “bishop” and “deacon” as honorary titles....... Since God’s Word condemns honorary titles, would it be wrong for a Christian to address a king as “King” or a judge as “Your Honor” or “Your Lordship”? No. When Christians address rulers and judges, they are addressing them as civil servants and not in worship or as spiritual leaders....... True Christians do not use any kind of honorary titles. It means much more: the use of honorary titles is a sign of false religion. Abandon such false religion. Practice true religion by associating with the New World society of Jehovah’s witnesses. There are no class distinctions among these true Christians; all are brothers.......... “Let me not, I pray you, respect any man’s person; neither will I give flattering titles unto any man. For I know not to give flattering titles; else would my Maker soon take me away.”

Now (2003) consider that not only are elders in Kingdom Halls worth double honor, but their counsil should be as if God himslef spoke it! ( I'll find that quote too if anyone cares to see it...I KNOW i read it in a Watchtower, dispensing the good spritual food that they claim they do! ). No class distinctions? PLEASE!!!!

To this very day, the WBTS claim that they have NO CLASS DISTINCTIONS.

peace,

somebody/gwen

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somebody

by somebody in

good day to all my fellow jw.comers,.

these are just some thoughts i had when reading the bible yesterday ( yes, i still do that daily, believe it or not.

revelation 3:12 (nwt).

somebody

Good day to all my fellow JW.comers,

These are just some thoughts I had when reading the Bible yesterday ( yes, I still do that daily, believe it or not. ) .

Revelation 3:12 (NWT)

12

"‘The one that conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out [from it] anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which descends out of heaven from my God, and that new name of mine.

When Jesus prayed for his disciples, this is what he said in the following verses:

John 17:11,12 (NWT)

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"Also, I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world and I am coming to you. Holy Father, watch over them on account of your own name which you have given me , in order that they may be one just as we are. 12 When I was with them I used to watch over them on account of your own name which you have given me; and I have kept them, and not one of them is destroyed except the son of destruction, in order that the scripture might be fulfilled.

Can I get some opinions here? Does anyone else think that the "new name" Jesus was talking about in Revelation is Jehovah? If Jehovah is God's name, wouldn't that make sence? Is Jesus Jehovah?

Food for thought.

peace,

somebody/gwen

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An Astonishing Gap In My Knowledge.

by Englishman in

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parents converted to dubdom 1954.. commenced door knocking 1956.. baptised yankee stadium assembly 1958.. running 3 bible studies 1965.. giving public talks in many different congregations 1966.. ministerial servant, 2 jobs, 1966.. disfellowshipped 1972.. learned, via friday on h20, that the faithful and discrete slave class is the term used for the 144, 000 on earth, 2002.. during my entire witness life, commencing in 1954, right though until 2002, a time span of 38 years, i had always thought that the faithful and discrete slave term applied to the watchtower bible and tract society.. either i wasn't a very good student who's heart was never in the ways of jw's, or i was just picking up the general gist of things, i have no idea.

but, how could i have remained so uninformed and so undetected for all of those years?.

weird.. did you ever get it wrong about anything?.

somebody

To confuse this further I think you will find that the F&D slave is the remnant of the 144,000 not the whole group.

And to confuse a little more, the anointed are the Christian Congregation. All the other JWs are only associates of the Christian congregation.

peace,

somebody

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An Astonishing Gap In My Knowledge.

by Englishman in

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parents converted to dubdom 1954.. commenced door knocking 1956.. baptised yankee stadium assembly 1958.. running 3 bible studies 1965.. giving public talks in many different congregations 1966.. ministerial servant, 2 jobs, 1966.. disfellowshipped 1972.. learned, via friday on h20, that the faithful and discrete slave class is the term used for the 144, 000 on earth, 2002.. during my entire witness life, commencing in 1954, right though until 2002, a time span of 38 years, i had always thought that the faithful and discrete slave term applied to the watchtower bible and tract society.. either i wasn't a very good student who's heart was never in the ways of jw's, or i was just picking up the general gist of things, i have no idea.

but, how could i have remained so uninformed and so undetected for all of those years?.

weird.. did you ever get it wrong about anything?.

somebody

Hi Englishman,

Did you ever get it wrong about anything?

I thought that the 144,000 were all born in 1914.

peace,

somebody

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An Armageddon Story

by jgnat in

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my armageddon story.

i crouched with my family by the heavy lead-lined door.

a dozen faces around the room stared back at me, eyes wide, skin sickly in the weak fluorescent light.

somebody

jgnat,

You do write EXCELLENT ! I had a dream similar to yours when my children were very young and I could not make up my mind on wether I should go back to the JWs. By the time I had children, I felt if the JW teachings were right, my decision could effect my children's lives. I was suffering so much inner turmoil just trying to make the decision. Then one night I had a dream similiar to the one you had. I said so here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=5076&site=3 but never could bring myself to try and explain what happened in my dream and how real the dream seemed. So real that I never once again gave thought to going back into the sect. I lost all my ability to pray to God and wasn't even sure if I belived in God at all after I left in 1980. Once I was responsible for other lives, living with complete indisiveness and not having anyone I could talk to about my fear, I began to pray everyday in my mind. I needed someone to help me make my decision and understand my fear of both going back to the hall and raising my children to be conditionally loving and conditianally compassionate, and not going back and thinking that they'd die in armegeddon because I didn't raise them to be conditionally loving and compassionate. I felt that to raise them JWs would be the same as taking away the natural affection in them. Until I had that dream that was SO real to me! That dream came after a I had been praying for a LONG time!

I never did go back to a KH ever again. That dream I had was the best! It took the biggest burden I ever carried off my shoulders.

Thank you for sharing your dream with us all. I actually got a lump in my throat!

peace,

somebody/gwen

Edited by - somebody on 13 February 2003 9:57:44

Edited by - somebody on 13 February 2003 10:7:38

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Is the GB and FDS the same thing?

by William Penwell in

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this may have come up before in discussion so my apologies if it old stuff.

interesting point that the district overseer seemed to make a distinction between the governing body and the faithful and discreet slave class.

when i was growing up it was always the same thing.

somebody

Hi TheOldHippie,

and he was one of the saintly few who in proper time feeded his brothers,

ONLY the 12 GB members of the Watchtower INC. feed it's followers/adherehents food/publications from the publishing factory. It's a BUSINESS ! And that's what it wants. BUSINESS. Customers are supporters. Without customers, a business will fail. If a business throws God in the picture, then they will rake in much more supporters to donate money. The WBTS did not become a multi-million doallr business because God was behind it. It became multi-million doallar business using tactics that businesses use. Just like any other business, things will get slow and they will have to sell assets. Just as any other business, without customers, they can't make profit. CUSTOMERS make their profits and make them money. If the business had anything to do with God, it would just survive and that's it. It would not be worth multi millions of dollars and continue giving the impression to their supporters that they are poor and in need of donations to just cover the cost of printing and distributing.

peace,

gwen