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  MP3s

  by somebody in

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  is there anywhere on the internet where one can legally download music for free anymore?.

  sheesh!

  what has this world come to?.

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  Is there ANYWHERE on the internet where one can LEGALLY download music for FREE anymore?

  sheesh! What has this world come to?

  peace,

  gwen
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  THIS HIT MY FUNNY BONE

  by orangefatcat in

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  well today i was surfing the net to get the latest news in the world.

  of course the top news of the was the funeral of the pope.

  i wanted to read my horrorscope

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  Terry,

  LOL! That hit my funnybone too! And I bet it hit the funnybone of "some elders "who read the horoscopes in the newspapers or online also.

  peace,

  gwen....If you PM me your birthday I can give you some interesting stuff for you to read for fun ( and some of it is so true that it's quite amazing, but i can't say it will be anything "scary" or to scare you!)
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  some advice about meeting door to door jws

  by Hepzibah in

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  hi im new here and found this forum via a search engine - i am a practicing christian and the other day i had a knock on the door - got into an interesting conversation with two jws and as i didnt have much time invited them back - in the meantime they had posted a booklet on the trinity or there version of it and when they came back the novice had been replaced by someone who had obviously had a lot more experience at talking to christians

  i didnt want to get into a bible debate - and asked them about their salvation and how they knew they were saved - but they just seemed to be reading from a different script than me - as much as i tried we ended up batting bible texts back and forth

  anyway to sum up - they want to come back to do a bible study on any topic i choose

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  Hello hepzibah and welcome to the board.

  It may be a good idea to say that you wish to discuss Matther 24:14..(NWT)

  " And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come."

  Then ask them what "this good news" or gospel is according to the Bible. And then ask them what "this good news", or gospel is according to the Watchtower. Then ask them to read Galations 1:8 and 9 mean to them. Ask them if they believe Pauls two time warning.

  Galations 1:8,9...

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  However, even if we or an angel out of heaven were to declare to YOU as good news something beyond what we declared to YOU as good news, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said above, I also now say again, Whoever it is that is declaring to YOU as good news something beyond what YOU accepted, let him be accursed."

  Then ask them if ANY of those scriptures state that it ok to preach as good news a message that goes not only beyond, but in addition to, what Christ and the apostles preached and accepted as " the good news"/gospel" to be preached.

  Print this out and I'll continue tomorrow filling you in with what they will say to you, and what the Watchtower teaches as "the good news to be preached". Then you can ask them if they agree with what the WTS INC teach, or what the Bible teaches.

  peace,

  gwen

  PS...don't know if I missed it but...when are JWs coming back to your door for the study on anything you choose?
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  Please---Your Prayers And Good Wishes Are Needed

  by Sunspot in

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  i got a call from the er last night---hubby had been in an accident and they were running tests and x-rays.

  he was in terrible pain.

  they called back during the night during the night saying he has a shattered sternum and other injuries.

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  (((((Sunspot)))))

  Our thoughts and prayers are for you an hubby right now.

  zev and somebody
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  thats it! i quit!

  by zev in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  yep.....after 22 years, 19 of which i kept "hidden"...... i finally quit smoking!.

  my last butt was on the way to work on monday, valentines day.

  i remember saying to gwen i might bum a couple smokes off her cuz i didnt want to buy a pack and not finish it...i never did.

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  hubert,

  It wasn't me who quit smoking. It was zev/harold. I have an appointment to see my doctor for physical on April 25th because I can't be prescribed anything to help me quit (such as zyban or something) because I feel as though I can't do it. My doctor wants to check my blood and weight and other things before being perscribed anything to help me. I panic at the thought of not having ANY cigarettes. Hell, I panic if I don't have at LEAST a spare pack on top of the pack I have just opened. Even if there is only ONE cigarette missing from the pack I have opened! I have been smoking for 26 years. I don't know what I used to do with myself before smoking. I don't know how I was a non-smoker and NOT be fidgetty. I have tried to quit smoking and the only times I have ever succeeded in practically quitting is the times I was sick with either bronchitis an pnemonia. I was sos sick that I swore I would never smoke again. Once I started feeling better, it was a different story I tell ya. I started craving a cigarette so bad that I actually was literally shaking and pacing the house.

  So if you have an easy way to do it, just say it here or e-mail me. I feel as though I can't quit cold turkey. I can try, as I have before. But I can't succeed. At least I haven't the time that I have tried.

  Once again, it is harold who has not had a cigarette in two months. It wasn't me. I give him credit that is well deserved!

  peace to you and your wife and family, hubert. And there is no hurry to return my book. take your time, please. e-mail me and let me know what you think of what you have read and if your wife read it. Not sure if I talked to you before I changed my e-mail address. I no longer have aol. PM me here on Simon and Angarad's board and I'll send you my e-mail address if you don't have my verizon e-mail addy. ok?

  peace,

  gwen/somebody
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  thats it! i quit!

  by zev in

  1. jw
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  yep.....after 22 years, 19 of which i kept "hidden"...... i finally quit smoking!.

  my last butt was on the way to work on monday, valentines day.

  i remember saying to gwen i might bum a couple smokes off her cuz i didnt want to buy a pack and not finish it...i never did.

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  Harold,
  

  I'm so very proud of you too. I admire your strength and your willpower. Give me some, will ya?

  I love you very much,

  gwen

  P.S. When did you get to 1900 posts?? !!!! I'll have to race and catch up to ya! Better yet, to beat ya so I can sing ne ner ne ner ne ner!
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  JWs at my door today

  by somebody in

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  2. friends

  i am home today and tomorrow per doctor's orders and i was shocked that of all days, today two jws knocked at my door for the first time in almost 4 years.

  they will be back on saturday morning at 10 o'clock.

  to you all here, both non and ex jws, and to any lurking jws, i ask the question... what is the difference between a servant of jehovah and a disciple of christ, if any at all?

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  Hi all!

  I am home today and tomorrow per doctor's orders and I was shocked that of all days, today two JWs knocked at my door for the first time in almost 4 years. They will be back on Saturday morning at 10 o'clock.

  To you all here, both non and ex JWs, and to any lurking JWs, I ask the question... what is the difference between a servant of Jehovah and a disciple of Christ, if any at all?

  Meanwhile I will be searching my new WT cd to see what the answer to the the question would be from the WTS INC. of NY,USA, and preparing what to give to the two JWs who will come back. Because if I have noticed anything inparticular of JWs on the internet, they don't give the same answers that their fellow human "faithful and discreet slave" would give to questions. Which leads me to believe that the the WTS's followers never actually absorb or are not paying attention to what their human leaders teach them. Which is probably why their human leaders tell them to direct others to the organization right from initial contact with outsiders and/or householders because JWs MAY BE ABLE TO LOCATE SCRIPTURES and explain fundemental JW doctrine, but that's about it. And that EVWERYTHING THE JWS HAVE LEARNED HAS BEEN FROM THE ORGANIZATION, not the BIBLE. The JWs at my door did just that by never opening up the Bible that I could see int her book bag, but opening a Watchtower brochure instead. This makes a big difference from when the WTS INC discribed it own followers as BIBLE CHAMPIONS, back in the 70s or 80s.

  peace,

  gwen
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  Do you think of yourself as an apostate

  by barbar in

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  many of the people on this site say that they are apostates.

  but that is not the way i feel about myself.. i am not angry with the "witnesses" or the organisation, i don't feel that i wasted my life.

  i just think that i was stupid to believe it for 30 years (well sort of believe it, i did have severe doubts on and off).

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  I fell like I am an apostate of the WT organization because I have apostated from it.

  I don't feel like I am an aposte of God because I haven't aposted from God.

  The problem with the WT organization and just about all it's followers cannot differenciate the two. The Organization IS GOD to most all JWs.

  If that were not true, then the JWs would not say that those who leave the organization even by disassocating from it have "left Jehovah". But because the organization teaches such a thing about those who leave it, then it's followers repeat it and believe it.
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  NorEaster...stay tuned. we're in for a big blow....

  by zev in

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  2. friends

  pictures will update once a minute.. .

  you may have to "refresh" to get the current picture.. .

  it started around 3:30 pm 1.22.2005 today.. .

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  somebody

  Waving hi to orangefatcat and sending hugs and kisses too! And thank you very much for the Christmas card! I hope all is well with you and hoping that you had wonderful holidays along with all the rest of the days of the year.

  And hello to all here too!

  Love,

  gwen
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  How can I get my daughter, who's in j.w. Bible study, to look at this forum

  by hubert in

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  2. bible

  i have a daughter and son-in-law who are in a j.w.

  bible study, thanks to my sister-in-law.

  i have been researching the w.t.

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  Hubert,

  From what you have told us, it is too late to "talk" to them. ANYTHING you say that in any way even suggests that the JWism even could stand a chance of being wrong about ANYTHING will cause your daughter to cut out all communication with you and your wife very soon. I'm surprised that they even celbrate holidays with you and I'm absolutely sure that nobody in the JW congregation knows that they do becuase they keep that to themselves. And I don't think you understand what the WT teaches it's followers ( JWs) about the Catholic relgion spacifically. PLEASE, and I am begging you to talk to Bob Pardon. Get in touch with him, or send him just what you have posted here so that he understands your situation. believe me, as you said, not many people are educated at all about JWism because they do not know too much about the sect. Even parents of rebellious teens have been grateful for sects such as the JW sect. Only when it is too late did they realize that their children, even when grown have gone from the fire to the frying pan. Only those who have been involved, usually for years INSIDE the walls of the JW sect can tell you how it destroyes the family unite so bad that it is heartbreaking. Some adults have PARENTS who are in it and they miss their parents so badly. They regret even trying to talk to their parents about it, because it caused all contect to cease. You have a granchild too. so that makes it even more heartbreaking. I don't even know where to start but to say that it doesn't matter if young or old or educated, ANYONE can fall victim to cults.

  So PLEASE, either make a phone call to Bob and you can tell him I told you to call, (My name is Gwen Wallace) or write to him. He will correspond to you my mail of phone. He is located in in Lakeville MA and has helped many people who are in cults, or that have family members in cults INCLUDING the JW cult.

  If you wish to contact him by e-mail and forward your post on this board to him, his address is [email protected].

  You can read a little about him and his wife Judy ( who is very sick right now so you might not hear from her) by doing a search on google about Bob and Judy Pardon. They hold group sessions that have helped both harold and I immensely. They have helped him as newly trying to exit JWism mentally, and myself too even though I left JWism over 25 years ago. It's harder to exit cultsmentally, than phsically. That is why so many stay. For they cannot handle it mentally, even if doubts eat away at them. Bob and Judy will help any way they can. the group sessions are only for those who WANT to attend. Their is no ostricsim by any means for those who don't want to. It's just added support for those who think they can benefit by it. And I'm telling you this because at first, I was worried that I was going to be involved in another cult if I atteneded. I was afraid of getting sucked into something! Now I know better. :-)

  http://www.neirr.org/

  http://www.excultworld.com/interviews/Pardons.htm

  peace,

  gwen